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  1. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    While your picture did show me that the upper room was bigger that I still think the temple complex of some 35 acres would have been the more likely place to hold multi You totally misunderstand me. You inspired me to think about this with more attention than I've honestly thought about the...
  2. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, the scriptures do say they contain everything that pertains to life and godliness (2 Peter 1:3). Everything is everything. It's all we need to know to life a life of godliness. Nothing more necessary, at least if we believe what Peter said. I do. In whatever language it's written. It...
  3. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    What did I say that led you to believe I didn't think they were in Jerusalem? I quoted Luke who said in no uncertain terms that they returned to Jerusalem. I agree with Luke. I also agree with Luke that they were continually in the temple. I have no reason to question Luke. After all, he was...
  4. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Luke 24:52-53, 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
  5. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Did you consider that being the hour of prayer, they were in the temple? You're absolutely sure they were in the upper room? Luke 24:52-53, 52 And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy: 53 And were continually in the temple, praising and blessing God. Amen.
  6. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    The age old question. Romans chapter 7 answers that question quite readily. Also, we all see through a dark glass at this time. None of us know it all. We all know in part, but only when Jesus comes back in glory will we finally know ourselves as God knows us. This is a big part of the reason we...
  7. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Good point. The fact is, we don't have anything actually penned by Moses, Isiah, Paul, or any other of the other's whom God inspired to write. However, as I'm fairly certain you know, there are ways to at least get pretty darn close to what they wrote by studying the various snippets we have of...
  8. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well God gave us standing order via Paul, 1 Cor 14:5, I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. Paul thought tongues was important...
  9. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    120 people in the upper room is a bit dubious. It was the hour of prayer, so wouldn't it make more sense that they were in the temple, where there was room for a huge crowd, about 3,000 at least? That's how people from all over the known world have heard them. Only the temple had the room...
  10. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think there are better ways to express one's lack of ill will towards another than to intimate they are thin skinned. Do you like it when someone says you are thin skinned? It kind of puts a damper on any meaningful discussion. Maybe think about that next time you want to express your care for...
  11. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    When you are done talking about me, get back to me.
  12. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Does God force us to speak in tongues when He deems it appropriate?
  13. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I might remind you once again that I have no interest in discussing myself, let alone defending myself or my beliefs. I am not the subject of the scriptures and I'd really like to confine our discussion to those scriptures. 1 Corinthians 1:1 introduces us to the subject of spiritual matters. I...
  14. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    If you don't mind, let's confine our discussion to the scriptures. Let's leave each other out of the discussion. The fact is I don't know what you wish nor do you know what I wish. I won't talk about your problems and perhaps you could refrain from telling me what my problems are. Not that I...
  15. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I just put you on my ignore list. I don't want you having to answer to Jesus for any more baseless accusations against a son of God. It's bad enough already.
  16. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Well, I've said over and over everything is a gift from God, so it's not correct to say I don't want to do that. One of those gifts is holy spirit (the very essence of the new birth) which comes with the ability to operate the nine manifestations of which tongues is one. The problem with...
  17. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Did you read Corinthians before replying? 1 Cor 12:3, Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and [that] no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. Where did I call Jesus accursed? I trust you understand you...
  18. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    Your accusation of my making a "false analogy" is somehow not petty? Wow! Talk about choking on a gnat! 1 Cor 12:7, But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
  19. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I've said on more than one occasion that everything we have is a gift from God. That doesn't change the fact that God called tongues but one of nine manifestations (1 Cor 12:7). There are many different gifts, the manifestations being but one of them. I could give you a pocket knife and a spoon...
  20. Rich R

    Speaking in tongues is NOT a gift

    I think 1 Corinthians 12:7-10 clearly calls tongues a manifestation. I don't see the phrase "spiritual gifts" at all in Corinthians, at least not in the original texts. Forget about KJV's insertion of "gifts" in 1 Cor 12:1. It's simply not in the originals. 1 Cor 12:1, Now concerning spiritual...