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  1. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    When you get down to the nuts and bolts of the matter, I would say that by and large you have a very good point. As long as we are saved by faith, born again children of God, we will someday know the truth and nothing but the truth. Guaranteed! But I'm not sure about, "The rest of the stuff is...
  2. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You don't seem to understand much of what I say. How in the world you have me saying Jesus is a lunatic is beyond me.
  3. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Whatever you think Jesus thought about his relationship with God, we are to think thing the same (verse 5). If Jesus thought he was God, then so should we?
  4. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, there are not hundreds of verses that preclude the donkey from talking, nor a virgin birth. The trinity is another story.
  5. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I always understood that their are those who deny the Trinity but still claim Jesus to be God, but that's beside the point. I'm just pointing out that Philippians does not say, "Who being God, thought it not robbery to be God." I also said that those who do believe the trinity must resort to...
  6. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Here's what I said, "Setting aside all the arguments made for Philippians, one thing it certainly does NOT say is, "who, being God, thought it not robbery to be God." Reading into the text that which is clearly not their was a specialty of the Gnostics. The claim of many is that...
  7. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Who told you that? I'd do like the Bereans did in Acts 17 and search the scriptures to see if what they told you is true or not. For what it's worth, I can tell you that what they told you is absolutely false. According to the scriptures, you can learn even the deep things of God. Eph...
  8. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Setting aside all the arguments made for Philippians, one thing it certainly does NOT say is, "who, being God, thought it not robbery to be God." Reading into the text that which is clearly not their was a specialty of the Gnostics. The claim of many is that Non-trinitarians do not have the...
  9. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Thanks for the invite, but I haven't been outside of San Diego County for 20 years. I was a professional Pilot and traveled all over the world for many years. I was always gone. Once I retired, I just wanted to stay put. Kind of weird I suppose, but that's where I'm at as of now. Having said...
  10. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Amen to that brother! I am sorry for anybody who I may have offended and ask their forgiveness. On the flip side, I forgive anyone who I think may have offend me, so no love lost there. As sons and daughters of God, you guys are all great in my eyes!
  11. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Well, the scriptures weren't given by God last year in New York or LA. They scriptures were written thousands of years ago to a Middle Eastern people who had a radically different worldview than our own. He spoke in their terms, not ours. That's why Genesis doesn't go into atoms and the...
  12. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I just looked up "unicorn" in the KJV. It's used 6 times and just means "wild bull." That's how the Jews used the word anyway. We can't always go by our modern Western meaning of words. Sometime we have to dig into things. In this case, I just looked it up in Strong's concordance. But I suppose...
  13. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I don't believe Jesus is God. You do. But that makes no trouble for me to have fellowship with anybody who loves God and loves Jesus! If you're willing, so am I. :) But you're right though. Too often it does get in the way of Christians loving one another.
  14. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    Which version are you quoting? I have many versions and don't see any with the word "essence." Not saying your version doesn't have it, just wondering which version it is. In Job the word in your version translated as "essence" is ",מצא mâtsâ" It is used more than 400 times and in most...
  15. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    If Jesus were only a different being than God and both are God, then there are two Gods. That was a huge problem for the early Trinitarians. To solve it, they introduced the Gnostic term "essence" into the equation. They said God and Jesus are two beings with one essence. To quote Ayn Rand...
  16. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I'm not sure, but I think you are saying there is more than one God. I don't know how else to take, "there is more than ONE in John 1:1 who is God." If that is in fact what you are saying, no I don't agree with that at all. Check out the word "with" in John 1:1b. It is the Greek word "pros" and...
  17. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    What is a god? Specifically, what did the Ancient Near Eastern Jewish people thing it means? I stand corrected on that, you didn't say they are the same person. I suspect you might say they are 2 persons with one essence. Is that right? That is a concept borrowed from Gnosticism used in an...
  18. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    I think we are in agreement way more than disagreement. I can see your heart for God and I know that I have a heart for God also. There will always be disagreements on scriptural matters. Let's face it, it's an incredibly deep subject, so no wonder we don't agree on every little jot and tittle...
  19. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    You keep saying Jesus is speaking, "in the form of man." The scriptures actually say that he always said only what his Father told him to say. There is nothing about him speaking, "in the form of a man" or of him speaking in the form of anything for that matter. God told Jesus to say that he has...
  20. Rich R

    John 1:1 - Jesus is the Father or he's not the one true God?

    What did I say that the linguistic experts don't say? I'll reiterate what I said; John 1:1c is correctly translated as, "...and the Word (Greek "logos") was God." That's exactly what all the linguistic experts that Kermos quoted said. What did you think I wrote? I didn't write, "...and the word...