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No ridicule. Both Colossians are simple statements. You seem to say one is yes/no, while the other is yes. I think it's a totally valid question to ask; how do you determine the yes/no verses from the yes verses? We do have Christ in us and God dwelt in Christ. That's right now. Now I would say...

Colossians 1:27 is yes and no? How about John 3:16? How do you determine which is which?

Jesus is YHWH: I think that's what you are saying. YHWH is the Father: That's what the scriptures say. If both are true, then Jesus is the Father?

You correctly quote Romans 10:9-13 and then proceed to add to it what's not really there.

Well, Col 1:27 plainly says Christ is in us. If, as you correctly said, the Godhead dwells fully in Christ, then how is the Godhead not in us?

Solid piece of research there! As you alluded, some verses in and of themselves can be translated in different ways. However if one of those ways cause contradictions with straight forward, simple verses, then they must be eliminated. Obviously we can't have contradictions. It is poor...

What can't I see? A son being his own Father? Let's see about that. The Collaborative International Dictionary of English: "Father" - One who has begotten a child, whether son or daughter; a generator; a male parent "Son" - A male child; the male issue, or offspring, of a parent, father or...

If that's all it takes to be God, then we are all Christ! Col 1:27, To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: God in Christ is not the same as God is Christ. Otherwise everything in our...

Isa 9:6, For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. "..his name shall be called..." is decidedly different than "...he shall...

Our redemption required the sacrifice of a lamb without blemish as per the Passover. Jesus is called our Passover, so he was he true lamb without blemish. Heb 4:15, For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as...

Essentially you are offering proof that the logos is Jesus by saying that the logos is Jesus. No different than saying, "up is down because up is down." Why not find out what the logos really is?

Obtuse? Which of these propositions you just mentioned have I denied or not spoken to? The only thing I've said that you disagree with is that Jesus is not God. I've offered many verses that would preclude him from being so. Every now and then I may get a direct, albeit weak, answer to my...

I think you are saying God was greater only during his earthly life. I'm not sure where you see that in the scriptures, but we'll let it go. But let's look to the actual scriptures, leaving tradition aside. Would someone being the head of someone else be considered as equal? How about someone...

We can't use John 1:14 to say the logos is Jesus by simply saying the logos is Jesus. That is essentially how this verse is used as a proof for the trinity. The logos is not Jesus unless you want to make him the Father as per John 17:3 and 1 Cor 8:6, both declaring the Father to be the only true...

Well, Paul was saying a husband and wife are like Christ and the church. Your assertion: Christ is God Christ is the church The church is God At least, that's what I think you are saying. In any case, every morning there are two lumps in the mattress when my wife and I get up. Maybe we're...

God emptied Himself of deity? He no longer had deity, but He did have it? Communism is down on logic also. I don't mean to be a wise guy, but you're just not making any sense. I think you're just winging it without really thinking about what you're saying. I love you as a brother, but you just...

I get that, but what I asked was, "you have no problem with Jesus being the Father?"

If I did, it was an oversight. Eph 1:4, According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Again, a simple innocent oversight. John 17:3, And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true...

No hijinks. I can't quote the whole Bible, you know. You and I are actually in complete agreement on this. That's wonderful! Forgive me for putting you in a box. Most who believe Jesus is God use Phil 2:6 as a "proof" verse, so I assumed you were doing that also. We have been granted the power...

How is "I AND the Father" the same as your addition, "you and I are the same person?" You've completely ignored the meaning of "and" in both the first clause and the second, while adding a completely foreign phrase to what Jesus said. But then again, you seem to have no trouble redefining the...