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I believe a person hating and rejecting God before dying was likely not saved to begin with. Now can you be equally kind and answer my question?

Then I can't help not seeing a contradiction with this first thing you said, "We are saved by our love of Christ, ...". That is why I brought up this whole issue in the first place.

Yes, but notice, it was not on account of how much they loved Jesus, but that He first loved them.

Could you answer my question?... How much love must you perform until you are assured of your salvation? Salvation is a rescue from a desperately evil heart. But go ahead.

How much love must you perform until you are assured of your salvation?

OK, so you would no longer agree with this statement of yours? "We are saved by our love of Christ, ..."

Yes we accept Christ and His gift but it is important that it is all based on His love for us and not vice-versa. 1 John 4:19 (KJV) We love him, because he first loved us.

You missed my point. You originally said, " We are saved by our love of Christ,". My point is that our love for Him does not save us but it is His love for us through His dying for our sins that saves us, otherwise we turn the grace of God dependent on our works. This isn't nit picking either...

How much love of ours do we need for salvation? I thought we were saved by HIS love for us. See how important true doctrine is? Your 'sincere' statement turned God's free gift of salvation dependent on our works.

Let me refresh your memory as to what I wrote on the OP... The topic is to deal with the problem of downplaying God's written Word, not giving our assessment of each other's faults. 1 Corinthians 4:5 (KJV) Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to...

Let's also pray we can stick on topic instead of all this interpersonal psychoanalyzing of one another.:eek:

I'm clueless, which party? And why do we have so much trouble sticking to the topic rather than sizing up one another and pronouncing judgment with personal innuendos?

I've dug many a ditches in my life, some were even made of dirt.

But Scripture has plenty of inspired history, especially in the OT... 1 Corinthians 10:11 NASB [11] Now these things happened to them as an example, and they were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

Matthew 20:28 (KJV) Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

nvm.

Some need it to be spelled out or they come back with obvious questions. Sorry if I spoiled the punchline...the ice was melting.:eek:

I can't seem to understand why you must interject yourself into a post that never mentioned your name and then react like it did. Paranoid?

Right, that's why I covered my bases and said 'it is their idea of humility'.;)

As Christians we have been born again by the Spirit and Word. We have the Holy Spirit abiding in us. So are you saying, you have reached the End? Have you attained? No more growth needed?