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  1. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    In your mind that might relate to the verses discussed. Let's chalk it up to another failed insult attempt I guess. Strange and meaningless insult attempt once again. We already discussed that. Salvation is not based on works. Therefore all judging on works for believers has to do with...
  2. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Absolutely false. Salvation is clearly not by deeds that we have done. It is the gift of God, that He paid for and gave. Jesus has wonderful judgments for His people. Not to be feared but cherished. The judgment for the unsaved is another matter. Those who know Him do not conflate the two...
  3. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Indeed we should walk worthy of the great gift we have received. That does not mean walk fearfully thinking He may take back His gift at the first mistake!
  4. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    For by grace are we saved, and that NOT of OURSELVES, it is the gift of God. I see nothing unjust or hypocritical about the way Jesus saves us If people willing sin after really being saved, of course Jesus deals with them. In that situation the judgment is not about salvation though. David...
  5. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    That would be those covered in His blood, or saved as the common term today puts it. Not those who think their poop doesn't smell. I see. So God chose some evil person to fight Goliath and helped him? David's prayers were not heard while he was a young shepherd? There were two Pauls now? It...
  6. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    The rapture was mentioned by me in this context "Not after we already have life. For the saved, the judgment seat of Christ involves rewards". In case you really do not comprehend rather than are being dishonest, I will explain. I believe that it is after we are raised up into the air to meet...
  7. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Another dishonest strawman diversion. Accusing believers of preaching their own gospel. Who asked you about judging sin? Maybe try identifying what you are trying to say other posters' sin is here? Another random verse. Wait, should we think that saved posters here who do not get on the works...
  8. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    He was without sin. The rest of us weren't No. Acts 14:15 "Friends, why are you doing this? We too are only human, like you. We are bringing you good news, telling you to turn from these worthless things to the living God, who made the heavens and the earth and the sea and everything in...
  9. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Does that mean you confess to thinking you are without sin and pure and perfect?
  10. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    In a moment, in a twinkling of an eye-we shall be raised.. That would mean all of us. Wrong, we shall be raised incorruptible, like Jesus. Rewards aside, we will be like Him. Immortal. New bodies. This is news?? Who said salvation depended on judgments of men?? Try to debate honestly. Says...
  11. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    For salvation, all who come to Him are accepted. How is that respect of persons? You had posted this "The chastisement of God upon the world for sinning, is death and separation from God, beginning with Adam and continuing with all men that are sinning. (Gen 2) (Ezek 18:4)(Rom 5:12, 6:23)" I...
  12. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Yes that is what happens when Jesus lives in you. More in some than others, hence some have greater rewards. Hopefully you have not learned that works save us rather than Jesus. We work because we are holy (because He is in us) not work to get holy.
  13. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    Yes and when you fail, don't make out otherwise. Then why mention the strawman you just made up here? God actually said taste and see. When we obey and ask in a sincere heart to be saved as He commanded, He answers. Not because the sinner was pure. But because he knows he or she (sorry...
  14. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    No one 'disanulls' a nation being dealt with a certain way by God. For a nation, for example God says this. But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation. For Peter, though, God corrected him, and led him. Nations don't get saved. Therefore they can't lose salvation...
  15. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    After being born again, like a baby, we grow up. The converting comes when we are saved, not before. There is not some work we do that makes us worthy of salvation. By the rime works start, we are already saved. A done deal. Works that follow are not what saved or saves us. There is not...
  16. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    That depends on how you define those things. If we get saved then we are justified by Him. We are not physic here you have to be clear. Our works condemn us UNTIL we get saved! After that, our works get us rewards and are a result of Him in us. A result, not a prerequisite of salvation. Vague...
  17. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    We fall, we get up. Lovely being saved. Your cryptic accusations are strawmen Those saved are in the light. Jesus is the light. To get saved they had to come to the light. Those still in darkness did not come to the light, but loved darkness rather than light. Right either we are saved or not...
  18. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    You don't know? You have done nothing of the sort. You have displayed a harsh misunderstanding of the word and heart of God. No idea what you are trying to say. You seem to be conflating the great white throne judment with our time with Jesus after or at the marriage supper. But you need to be...
  19. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    We might also ask why Jesus needed to die with such sinless saints running around. He came to save sinners, NOT the righteous.
  20. dad

    We are judged by works, not by faith

    It is for those who were Raptured and all believers actually. Sorry if you thought it involved some works trip to get there. Again, you put the cart before the horse. Jesus looks at our works at that judgment rather than uses works to invite people there. Great. Nothing to do with Salvation...