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  1. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Can you find a single declaration that Jesus would first be born as a man and return thousands of years later? Understanding the bible does not rest on some single verse.
  2. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Who said He did? He does leave hundreds of thousands of witnesses who result in a new batch of saints!
  3. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Zec 14 The great day of the Lord is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even the voice of the day of the Lord: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. 15 That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day...
  4. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    If a horse were thirsty it should be able to find the river.
  5. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    The believers here after the Rapture will be many. It will be tough and many will die. No contradiction whatsoever. No, that is the same error as above, where you lump the Bride/church that goes up into the air inn with the new Jewish and other believers that believe in the Tribulation period...
  6. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Not in any way is that even related to a shadow of the truth. Spamming verses does not help your position. They just show you don't understand them.
  7. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    When He returns TO the earth after the Tribulation. Not when He raises the believers of all ages. You won't be able to support that claim.
  8. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    It is not so much what you believe or debate that is the issue. Only the religious terms you use for it that are not in the bible. Just be clear. Do to! 3 Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he fights on a day of battle. 4 On that day his feet will stand on the Mount...
  9. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Not the the earth! Bet the farm on that one. Not ALL the way to earth! Just to the air above where we meet Him. yes where heaven is that place beyond where the stars are, He will come all the way down over the little heavens over this planet! There we meet Jesus and then return to His Father's...
  10. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    No He judges after He returns TO earth. Not when we go to meet Him in the air. The months and days during the tribulation till the end are known. When the Rapture will happen is NOT known. Different events. Not sure when you think that is. Since you conflate the Rapture with the return to...
  11. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Ok so you are claiming that somehow Jesus plops down on earth while all believers go into the air. That makes no sense and does not fit any prophesy about the end time. Notice the bible says we will be where He is? If we go UP in the air, does that not tell you something? We go to be where He...
  12. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Yes. Is there some point about it you want to make? Hopefully you didn't think He came right down to the earth when He descended from heaven?
  13. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    I agree. It took awhile to focus on what the poster was saying and I said what you said later. Tks
  14. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    In your head maybe. Except, no He didn't you made that up So in the end time, after the Rapture in particular, many will claim Jesus is here somewhere. That is a warning. Obviously it will be a lie. No connection to the issues at hand here. Focus.
  15. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    I do not apply His wrath. He does. That is your personal doctrine and interpretation. The whole end time centers around Israel and Jerusalem and Jews! The 144,000 witness, Israel invaded, most of them killed etc etc etc. Not sure what phantom or spirit Israel you have in mind. The church is...
  16. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Of course they don't. Jesus does not descend at the rapture either. We ascend! And since the bodies of the believers are rasised to the air, any saints who may be with Jesus in the air could not have their bodies raised yet. We shall be like Him. It seems to me that whhen we die and go to be...
  17. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    No. Those folks go up in the air to be with Him. When we die our spirit goes to be with God. Our dead bodies don't. The time when the dead bodies rise up in the air is the same time our live bodies rise up and we all go to be with Jesus. Later, we return to earth with Him from heaven in our new...
  18. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    The only thing it is proof of is that when God sics Satan on the world the old boy is mad as a wet hornet. All part of the wrath of God. Undeniably. Another wrong claim. The Bride is with Jesus at the time of the wrath on earth. So you totally miss the purpose and nature of end time prophesy...
  19. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    The air is actually above the earth! That is where we meet Him. Not on a cruise ship.
  20. dad

    PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

    Nope. He comes to bring us up into the air, starting with the dead in Christ whose spirits He brings with Him at the Rapture! They have their bodies raised and like us receive an eternal body like He has! That is before the second coming, so you know where you can place your false accusations. I...