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I understand that there is 2,000 years of emotion involved with this issue (just as there was between Moses and Jesus). But you are mistaking the power of God given to Christ and to His church, as a hierarchy among the church. What do the scriptures say? That Christ is the head over many wives...

Philip, None of this denominational rub that exist to and from the Catholic church would even be happening if there were no lording over hierarchy, fanciful robes and such, and an exclusivity that is so against the directions Jesus gave to the twelve, saying, “If anyone desires to be first, he...

Indeed, a good report would be better. You make a good point in recognizing that there certainly were those who did not reject Jesus, and had faith even unto death. But if the majority of Israel rejected Christ...such a popular error is certainly one to examine and understand, so as not to...

The Eucharist is for us to do in remembrance of what Christ has done by His sacrifice. But our own sacrifice that we are called to do, is as He said, "If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." Luke 9:23

Daniel 12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

Okay...just a translation difference: Malachi 1:11 For from the rising of the sun, even to its going down, My name shall be great among the Gentiles; In every place incense shall be offered to My name, And a pure offering; For My name shall be great among the nations,” Says the Lord of hosts.

Okay, I see how you mean that, that some have disqualified themselves even to be called the church. But that does not mean that what Peter foretold of "false teachers among you" is not speaking of the church...just as Jesus chose the apostles and one was a devil, and the seven churches were not...

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

@Robert Gwin Okay, so "expectations" in error, have been noted.. Are you wanting to conclude there is a "wrong faith" presently at work? Is that where this is going?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Not sure where you are getting your information Robert...

Sunny? ;) Oh, and Welcome!

They were looking for the Messiah to come...but with different expectations. Let that sink in. I wonder if any are up to comparing Israel's expectations experience (and the outcome), with that of our own time of looking for Him to come again...and our expectations. Anyone see a comparison?

I did address it in post #457. You must have been blindsided by the women part and missed it.

If you knew the scriptures...you would know the answer to that is, No. I was/we were speaking of the church, which Paul an apostle to the bride referred to for the sake of order in the church because of the squabbling. Sound familiar? You see, the church being the "bride" of Christ, is not...

The church is the bride, and has no Master but One. For this reason women were to be silent. The confusion is yours.

It was foretold that false teachers were to enter into the church and the apostasy would ensue because of believing a lie. I believe I gave the scriptures already (sorry I'm on my phone or I would repost them). As for the church doing the will of the Master, only 5 virgins are wise, but 5...

Matthew 24:9-14 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because...

It is not as though these things were not foretold, they were. But the church believing and teaching a lie, does not mean the battle is not already won. Thus, such are tribulations only, the evils of this world creeping in--but that is not the end. Jesus is the End, and has prevailed already...

Because "the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it", does not mean the church would not fall to delusion for believing a lie. The same is true of Israel. They were not forsaken, but did forsake. Likewise the church. 1 Peter 4:17-18 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house...

2 Peter 2:1 But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift destruction. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 Now, brethren, concerning...