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  1. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Post #495 you called my answer 'deceptive'. I quote: "what a deceptive answer you gave!" Not mistaken, not idiotic...deceptive. You believe I am willfully engaging in deception. And thus, as I am Covenantal, by extension that's how you perceive other Covenanatal theologians as well. You called...
  2. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Hey, I don't have an issue with spelling, but it was a little...um...interesting to have a person get on his high horse about how long he'd been a teacher of this particular issue, then not even be able to consistently spell it. I like a good bit of back and forth in the hopes of learning...
  3. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Ok, three points here. First is, it's usually considered an hermeneutical mistake to take an exegetical lead from a 'harder to interpret' book like Revelation, over a very clear book like Corinthians. And by that I mean, scholars will, by rule of thumb, say that the gospels and espistles, are...
  4. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Thank you, for actually taking the time to put some thought and effort into this reply. The question of the 'first resurrection' and therefore what the 'implicated second' resurrection might be, has indeed been a dividing question. And it's true that this passage is the only passage that...
  5. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Lol! Oh Enoch. You speak of dodging and don’t see the irony. I cannot remember the last time you answered a post I addressed to you. Not a question, not a theological thought or doctrinal pondering. What you consistently do, is dart in, make snarky little comments about my understanding...giving...
  6. Naomi25

    John Darby

    You noticed that too, hmm?
  7. Naomi25

    John Darby

    But we see 'wife of Jehovah' under the old covenant, right? And it was the same Jehovah who told this 'wife' about the 'new covenant he would make with them. We know this new covenant to be the one Christ made. That links them, the 'wife' directly to the 'bride' under the promised new covenant...
  8. Naomi25

    John Darby

    I'm sorry. I was under the impression you were a teacher...didn't you brag about that when you were scolding me? Do you honestly expect me to simply take your word in such things? Especially after I have taken...considerable time to present biblical verses and ideas? If this was just going to be...
  9. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Hmmm. Okay. Here's a question for you. If 1 Cor 15 tells us that death is defeated AT Christ's second coming, how come in Rev 20 we only see death being tossed into the lake of fire (ie, defeated) AFTER the Millennium...where, apparently, death still holds some sway. Those two things don't add...
  10. Naomi25

    John Darby

    As far as the claim that Jesus has "yet" to set up a kingdom. I ask, what is he doing now? How do you explain, if you please, these verses? Being asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, he answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming in ways that can be observed, nor will...
  11. Naomi25

    John Darby

    So...wait. You freely confess you really don't know why or where covenantal theologians go for their imagery interpretation, and yet you feel quite happy to declare them false, foolish, fanatical and deceptive. Do you not see the disconnect here? You felt you knew me well enough, based on my...
  12. Naomi25

    John Darby

    I don't disagree that some books emphasize certain details while others only mention them. However, you would think if there were two separate events, that that would still clearly come across in said summary and/or emphases. My point is that in all these verses that speak of Christ's return, no...
  13. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Well...and must surely recognize him in the future, yes? I know Dispensationalists say that there is two separate 'plans' for Israel and the Church, but when we consider these verses AND Romans 11, how can we possibly say that anyone, Jew or Gentile, can come, now OR in the future, to God but by...
  14. Naomi25

    Faith-based tattoo: as a result of one, did you ever talk with someone? (Poll included)

    :D What do they mean? Are they supposed to look like a snake bite?
  15. Naomi25

    Faith-based tattoo: as a result of one, did you ever talk with someone? (Poll included)

    I suppose it does. I think, personally, i'd either go for a single, elegant design, or all out. It bothers me when I see someone with 5 random, higgly-piggly odd-ball ones. It's like...commit, dude. Or get a design artist who figures out placement and theme, because elmo and that rose wrapped...
  16. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Well...I do. And yes, there are some passages that I feel that I haven't heard a good...balance taught on...from my angle, if you know what I mean. Not that they've done a poor job...they just don't tend to go there. But on the flip side of it, I get a little frustrated with the Dispensational...
  17. Naomi25

    John Darby

    My third flaw, as I see it, is 1 Cor 15:20-28 and 50-55. I think this passage marks a serious problem with the timing of Dispensational flow. But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For as by a man came death, by a man has come also the...
  18. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Problem 2: Finding two distinct 'comings' of Christ in the last days. If we carefully look at all the passages that talk about Christ's second coming, I simply cannot understand how Dispensationalists separate them into a Rapture 'coming' and a 'second' coming. I know the drill of 'for his...
  19. Naomi25

    John Darby

    My answer was deceptive, was it? That rather assumes I am purposely lying rather than just being stupid, even if your conclusions are correct. Which they are not. I salute you for delving into the subject for 2 decades, but clearly that has not bought clarity on what covenantal theology, as a...
  20. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Two questions for you Enoch: 1- what if the 'literal' reading of scripture calls for allegory? Or do you deny that the authors of the bible use imagery at all, in how they got their inspired messages across? If you deny that, you deny a good portion of scripture, especially parts you...