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  1. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Romans 3 is the perfect example that all...Jews AND Gentiles...are only justified by faith. What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are under sin,... Now we know that whatever the law says it speaks to those who are...
  2. Naomi25

    Faith-based tattoo: as a result of one, did you ever talk with someone? (Poll included)

    Honestly, I'm not sure...I just find it...visually unsettling for the images to not mesh, either in pattern or scope. That's probably the autism tho!
  3. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Are you referring to 1 Cor 15:23? Because, yes, while it certainly does mention both when AND who: But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ. -1 Corinthians 15:23 It's the fact that this event is easily linked with other passages that...
  4. Naomi25

    John Darby

    I think scripture is pretty clear that all are judged the same: John 14:6 - Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. Romans 1:20 - For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been...
  5. Naomi25

    John Darby

    There is also some good work done on recapitulation of these visions. I...am actually not so sure where I sit just at present. I am in a time of flux, I think.
  6. Naomi25

    Faith-based tattoo: as a result of one, did you ever talk with someone? (Poll included)

    She hasn't had any done yet...hasn't really spoken of it thus far. But considering who she is, I suspect she would go for something small and elegant. You see....she's a midget. Anything too big and she'd get swallowed up!
  7. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Well, from every standpoint its all about eternity. But the details is where the the contention and confusion of the discussion lie. I tend to think, yes. From Christ onwards, we all come to him, one body headed towards one future. Call it Israel, the Church, the elect, whatever you want. But...
  8. Naomi25

    John Darby

    I...at this point still see the Millennial period as happening during this time period, for various biblical reasons...which I know you will not agree with. That's fine. But as far as everything else, I have been leaning more...towards the Post-trib way of reading things, although I am not yet...
  9. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Semantics. As you very well know. If I am giving an answer that I know is deceptive, then I am being deceptive. Thus the line in the sand of calling one or the other deceptive doesn't wash. Both are deceptive as well you know. If the answer I give is wrong, but I believe it to be true, then the...
  10. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Once again I direct you to your post number #495. In response to my explanation of how Covenant theologians used imagery in scripture, you not only called my answer deceptive, covenant theologians dishonest, but also told me that you had been studying all this for "2 decades"! So, I ask you, if...
  11. Naomi25

    John Darby

    So, you agree that nations means 'gathering of peoples from all lands'. Which means that Jews are judged no differently to anyone else. All must stand before the throne of Christ. There is no special 'judgement throne for the Jews' in scripture. Just the Judgment throne of Christ. Force them...
  12. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Couple of problems I see with your ideas here. The first is...it doesn't actually say anywhere in 1 Cor 15 that God will use his 'a day is like a thousand years etc' thing. That is purely an insert by you. The second is, 'in his presence' instead of 'at his coming' doesn't make a great deal of...
  13. Naomi25

    John Darby

    I think all we can do, as individuals, is arrive at a place where we believe scripture is most logical. For my behalf, there have been many worthy efforts that present a convincing argument that Revelation is not presented in a strictly chronological order. I do not rule out that possibility of...
  14. Naomi25

    John Darby

    But the 'distinctions' don't in any way fit as Dispensationalists would like to fit them. If what is left on earth during the time of tribulation is strictly a time for Jewish revival, which they term 'the wife'...but there are great swaths of people - Gentiles - still coming to Christ...at any...
  15. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Okay, let me try and lay it out for you...I do like to try and keep it all clearly shown next to scripture, so thanks for pointing that out. 1 Corinthians 15:20–26 [20] But in fact Christ has been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. We start with Paul telling...
  16. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Well, as an Amillennialist, I would agree. The passage suggests, I think, that it occurs either in heaven immediately before Christ's return, or on earth immediately after it. Or perhaps, on the new earth immediately after it. I struggle with the "in heaven immediately before it" simply because...
  17. Naomi25

    John Darby

    Wait, didn't you just call Jesus King of King and Lord of Lords? Now he's only a Prince? How did that happen? It certainly didn't happen biblically. There is only one place, that I'm aware of, in scripture, that calls Jesus 'Prince': For to us a child is born, to us a son is given...
  18. Naomi25

    John Darby

    I agree that he is making a place for us. But here's the thing...you admitted to a serious flaw for your doctrine. We HAVE a kingdom now. No matter the particular format, there still IS a kingdom now. And a kingdom must, to make it a kingdom, have a king. That king is Christ. Can you prove...
  19. Naomi25

    John Darby

    And I've seen people here from "your tribe" who say the demons in Rev are helicopters. So literal!! We could play that game all day, but that dog won't hunt. No, it really doesn't. Many, many Amillennialists also see a future restoration of national Israel. Perhaps not in the same way...