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  1. Rich R

    Satan was right? Egads!

    Where does the scriptures say I must believe in the trinity to be born again and therefore make me your brother? Wouldn't Romans 10:9 be enough? Rom 10:9, That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou...
  2. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    The thing about death is that to the person who is dead, there is no consciousness. There is no pain, anxiety, fear, or any other vexation. It's like going to sleep at night. We have no consciousness there either. We don't have an inkling of what happened while asleep. If we had a sore back...
  3. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I should have used that version in my post! Thanks. :)
  4. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    You may know that commas were not found in the original God breathed word. Translators added them for our convenience and they usually do just that. However none of them were actually God's inspiration. I'm sure the translators were sincere, but sincerity is no guarantee for accuracy. Here's...
  5. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    That's what Plato thought. It's also what the devil told eve in Gen 3:4. Neither one are good sources for truth.
  6. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I've never seen open minded research done as quickly as you appear to have done! Or do you summarily rejected everything I said simply because it doesn't agree with orthodox doctrine? Considering the time you spent, I should say the lack of time you spent, I'm going to say its the later. I once...
  7. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    As you know, the Bible was not written last year in New York of LA. It was written thousands of years ago to a Semitic people who had a radically different worldview than that of our own Greek influenced modern Western point of view. God wrote to these people in terms they could understand...
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    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Well, I think it's great, that unlike many Christians, you recognize the dead are actually dead until raised up again. Better that than believe the lie of Satan that we really don't die, that we somehow actually live on in some other form. If that's true, then why are the dead in Christ raised...
  9. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Exod 32:12-14, 12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel...
  10. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Good point. I'll have to mull that over. I've done a minimal amount of research on what heaven meant to the Jews, enough to know that it's quite different than our modern Western view. I'll delve into it more thanks to your post. One of the big questions I have about the pre-existrance Jesus...
  11. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    2 Peter 1:4 says nothing about "likeness." It says we share His divine nature. Jesus gave us the ability to do everything he did. In fact, he said we'd do greater works. John 14:12, Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater...
  12. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Instead of simply substituting the word "Jesus" for "Word" why not do some research on what "Word" really is? It is Greek word "logos." It's not hard to find that it is something in someone's mind, a plan if you will. When capitalized, we are led to believe "Word" refers to a person. It does...
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    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    No. I didn't mean to say Jesus wasn't divine. Nor would I say that that say all born again believers don't share in God's divinity. We do. 2 Pet 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the...
  14. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Why didn't God say, "Ha...I knew all along you would obey me" instead of, "Now I know..." If it were any other piece of literature, we would all know that by saying, "now I know..." clearly means that he didn't know before that. A man "knowing" a woman is an Ancient Near Eastern way of saying...
  15. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Jesus, Manna, all good things. First of all, the word "ascending" is not the same word used in Acts 1:9 where Jesus went up into the clouds. Secondly, the whole chapter, indeed much of John, shows Jesus often talking if rather cryptic terms. The other Gospels are not like John at all in that...
  16. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    For a man, tempted just like we are, to do what Jesus did is much bigger than God doing it. What would be the big deal for God to obey Himself and believe He'd raise Himself from the dead? How would you react if God asked you to do what Jesus did? And of course that would be after you led a life...
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    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Jesus said that he came from heaven, meaning that He came from God; God was his source. The Jews would not have taken Christ’s words to mean that he “incarnated” or was somehow God. It was a common use of language for them to say that something “came from heaven” if God were its source, and...
  18. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Very true. A close look at John 5:22 is revealing. It should be kept in mind when reading the other verse you quoted. John 5:22,(ERV) For neither doth the Father judge any man, but he hath given all judgment unto the Son; Since the Father gave judgment to the son I think we can conclude two...
  19. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    I don't even understand why they think it so critical to our redemption that Jesus be God. Most staunch Trinitarians probably don't know either. You'd sure have to go outside the scriptures to come up with an answer. But whatever they came up with still wouldn't make sense. You just can't made a...
  20. Rich R

    Who is Jesus to a Non-Trinitarian?

    Good point!