Search results

I believe another example is that Israel (those believing in God - Jhn 14:1) is still in union with Him, but not in fellowship until later.

I fully understand your reasoning, and it looks like it may be too difficult to explain my meaning, but I''m just saying believers can have varying levels of fellowship according to varying knowledge and understanding (not that it varies any level of son-ship), similar to having one type of...

I like and agree with all you've stated and I think we are meaning the same thing but in a different understanding. There's the fellowship with God just being in His Son, and fellowship with God being in the same understanding as Him concerning what He reveals to us in His Word. For example...

I like your comments here because they seem to rest mostly on union and fellowship being the same thing, which I believe is true in a manner of understanding, because as I've mentioned in the OP that there is always a certain level of fellowship upon our union with God. The point I'm trying to...

Sorry, suppose to be VIII, thanks. The Eighth Chapter of Romans describes the identification of the two types of humanity: those who walk “after the flesh”; and those who walk “after the Spirit” (v 1). I think this discussion should begin with what Paul may have intended to mean by “walk...

Hi and always appreciate your applicable input, as that's a good Chapter on this subject. It depicts those who are not in union with God, and those who are, via the word "fellowship." In these passages it identifies false professing unbelievers, who claim to be reborn but are not manifesting it...

Hi and thanks for your input! I pretty much agree with your comments, though I think relationship is both union and fellowship, e.g. a mature relationship is one who has learned enough to "walk in the Spirit," and an immature relationship is one who is still learning to become mature. But...

One can be in union with God without being in fellowship with Him, and such is the temporal condition of unbelieving Israel (concerning God’s Son, but not God – Jhn 14:1). They are “fallen” (Rom 11:12) and “broken off” (v 20) from fellowship, but not “cast away” (vs 1, 2) from union; which...

Hi Taken, thanks for your comment and I agree here. I'll need more time to look at the rest of your reply. God bless!

Yes, and of course it's okay that we will have different understandings here, because I think that since the second death is eternal, it doesn't become a reality until once entered into after this life.

Concerning Scripture's use of this phrase, I believe it applies to the "lake of fire" when the word "second" is used in conjunction with "death." The result of physical death of the body is all I think is intended in "ye shall surly die," though others may apply it also to the eternal death or...

Hey, Mark! Yes, since the body only manifests sin but not produces it, the guilt and condemnation is incurred from the decisions of the soul, which concludes its choices according to its nature, e.g. the evil derives from the old nature and the good is from the new nature. The body has no input...

"Flesh" has primarily two meanings: the physical body; the nature of the spirit. Strong's G4561 - sarx Definitions I-III: the physical body, etc. Definition IV: denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God...

Hi, and appreciate your reply and comments! There is a lot here that is quite different from my understanding, so I will be using Scripture in sharing what I understand concerning your reply. First, I believe "thou shalt surly die" meant he would start dying, and this is related to physical...

Thanks, and ya, the hardest so far. It does show me though how easily I would gladly take it from him, but it's a greater testing for your child to have to than yourself, similar to the Father sending Jesus instead of Himself, which made it the greatest sacrifice. I'll get back ASAP on my...

Thanks for sharing what the Lord has taught you and from which He has brought you! Though our understanding concerning the two usages of the word "flesh" are different, I wouldn't mind sharing why I understand this subject the way I do, but I don't want to chance inferring with what you've found...

Always appreciate your replies Mark, and this one's not bad at all! Just to share though about the word "flesh," in the NT it nearly always refers to the nature of man's soul and not the physical body. How goes the nature goes the soul, and as is the soul so is the man. Though the flesh is in...

Hi and appreciate your input! Yes, I can see how being spiritually dead can seem we are spiritless, and upon rebirth we become aware of it. Blessings!

In seeking light from the Lord on this important subject of the “new man,” we must first be absolutely clear of the thought which is so general in Christendom, that God’s Son became a Man in order to repair and rehabilitate the first man—the race of Adam. The Lord Jesus Christ risen is...

Hi, and appreciate your reply! It's my understanding that everything begins with the Father, including Him manifesting His own glory (Jhn 12:28), unless you're meaning something else; and this isn't just to oppose your comment but sharing what I believe. Blessings!