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Sorry Davy, but I agree with Jesus. It is you that stand in error. The gathering from heaven and earth is after the tribulation. Immediately after the tribulation. Mark 13 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, 25 And...

You think the seals and trumpets are talking about the same time frame. They are not. The seals happen during the tribulation. That is when the dragon goes after the woman and her seed. Wrath is when God punishes the world. Completely separate time frames. This one verse PROVES you are in...

No contradiction. Just you attempting to confuse the issue. Already produced scripture that shows that the second coming occurs at the 6th seal. This will occur at the last trump which is blown on the feast of trumpets. John had not even written Revelation until much later. You don't see any...

Oh boy. I post in context scripture constantly. I don't just post a bunch of out of context scripture that proves nothing. The challenge has not gone well for you Davy. One small onslaught of proving what you are saying is incorrect and the tent folds up.

Negative. The sun, moon and stars mark the timing of the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. This is common sense and easily understood. The second coming of Jesus which we see in Matthew 24 occurs at the 6th seal.............simple. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days...

Both raptures will happen on a feast day.

This is the second coming. It occurs AT THE 6TH SEAL, as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. It occurs immediately after the tribulation and BEFORE the wrath of God. This is the fruit harvest as shown by the grapes being cast into the wrath of God. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after...

It gives you confidence because you see the error in those that claim a pretrib rapture. You claim that the rapture is immediately after the tribulation. What you don't see is that there are two raptures. The Lord is truly coming when you think not. Yeah I decimated your posts with scriptural...

In the verses of 1 Thes 4 you inserted second coming several places when it was not the second coming at all. The second coming happens at the 6th seal as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. Those verses in 1 Thes 4 certainly refer to the rapture of the Church but it occurs before...

The rapture to heaven idea comes from the Bible. Lots of nice quotes. Now go back and check the context as these are all out of context. Rev 19 And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord...

There is not a single verse that says that the Church is raptured after the tribulation. The gathering from heaven and earth happens after the tribulation, but that is the Church being gathered from heaven and the tribulation saints are gathered from the earth. The 144,000 are the first fruits...

I don't have a pre trib teacher. I just read the Word. Most of the teachers I've heard haven't figured out the difference between the tribulation and the wrath of God. I can prove what you are saying is wrong.......using the Bible. But can I get you to understand? That is the problem. So post...

Oh, I can show you, that's not a problem. Getting you to understand your error is another matter. Which totally proves my point. Jesus has returned. Is it the Second Coming where all eyes see the coming of the Lord and He remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from...

You are incorrect. Mark 13 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. This is also incorrect. Paul is talking about the rapture of the Church in 1 Thes 4. The Lord...

The dead in Christ rise first. The barley harvest. No second coming reference. Yes, this is the rapture. The secret pretribulation rapture. The wheat harvest. The previously raptured dead return with the Lord and we meet them in the air. No one but those looking for Him will see Him. Hebrews...

The Word counters what you are saying. The Word does not lie. This scripture is about the rapture of the Church............PRE TRIB. That's why they are seen in heaven in Rev 5. That's why the 24 elders have crowns in Revelation 4............Jesus has come. The barley harvest occurs first...

27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. As we can see, this is the gathering FROM HEAVEN AND EARTH. We also see that Jesus sends His angels. This is not the rapture of...

This contention.........................."No, the rapture is only after the GT is over according to Paul and Christ."

Do you have chapters and verses on this contention?

Let me repeat. When the enemy is already in the land, walls do nothing. Walls are to keep the enemy out of the land.