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It is a rapture but certainly not the rapture of the Church as they are already in heaven at the second coming.

Its perfect logic based on the LSG and of course confirmed by the WPA event. So it's pretty cut and dried. And did Jesus send His angels to gather the elect at the OD? Nope. Did the signs of the sun moon and stars happen at the OD? Nope. Yet Jesus will return at the sixth seal as marked by the...

What you are missing is that the wrath of God is on all the earth. Rev 14 Revelation 14 19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. Here is the rapture of the righteous from the earth. The...

Thanks for your response but I'm not sure where your conclusions come from. From the time the 70th week of Daniel begins there are 7 years before Jesus sets up His kingdom. This happens at the 7th seal after the second advent occurs. When the second coming occurs at the 6th seal, there is a...

The rapture of the Church pre trib is the bridegroom coming for the bride at the trump of God or voice of God. The second rapture is at the last trump blown on the Feast of Trumpets That is the harvest that occurs at the 6th seal and is depicted in Rev 14. This is also the coming of Jesus in...

Your summation is correct. The only error is see is not underlining everything I wrote...........LOL

I am not explaining myself well. There are two raptures. The Church is raptured before the tribulation (tribulation is not the wrath of God). This is when men are marrying and normal life. After the Church is gone the tribulation will begin shortly after. Lets look at your comment...

Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. 15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy...

What scripture are you using to draw this conclusion?

The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is a rapture. It occurs at the 6th seal before the wrath of God. Here is that rapture in Revelation Revelation 14 14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand...

How do you come up with 1010 years?

The alive that remain will not precede the dead. The dead in Christ will rise first. This is the barley harvest. They will go to heaven with the Lord. When Jesus returns for the alive that remain, he will bring the dead with Him and when the alive are caught up we will meet the Lord in the...

You are correct that the gathering in Rev 14 is the gathering of the Jews (from the earth). This is the seed of the woman. The woman, the nation of Israel, is not gathered during this 2nd rapture, only her seed. The woman is in her place of protection during the 1-year wrath of God. The woman...

There are two raptures. The days of Noah represents the pre trib rapture and the days of Lot represents the pre wrath rapture at the 6th seal. (which is after the tribulation) This is why there appears to be a contradiction.

Come on. You are calling everyone liars and Satanic because they don't agree with you. What have I said to you that is even in that ballpark.

The second coming does happen at the 6th seal and the Last Trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. Simple The last trump is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. That is going to happen at the 6th seal. It is the fall fruit harvest, which is why the grapes are cast into the wrath of God in Revelation 14

I was sleeping......lol Harpazo OK. You will have to expound. OK Harpazo........1 Thes 4

I'm not grasping what TL means. Yes, the rapture at the 6th seal is the gathering from heaven and earth. So there is a removal from the earth. The Church is gathered from heaven and the seed of the woman is gathered from the earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper during the 1-year...

Again weak. I already told there is a rapture at the second coming of Jesus after the tribulation. It's just not the Church being raptured from the earth as they are already in heaven as seen in Rev 5. Additionally you think the second coming is at the end of the trumpets which is incorrect...

Weak. I'm commenting on your comment. You need some scripture. Your incorrect view has the Church going through the wrath of God. Scripture says you are in error. 1 Thessalonians 5 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, Additionally, you...