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I'll go with anything anybody says so long as it does not contradict the scriptures. For example, Athenasius says we must believe in the trinity to be saved. There is nowhere in the scriptures that says that. There are several places where the scriptures say how to be saved, but none come even...

I was just thinking of leaving the Bible Study Forum. I think it might be more appropriate to post on the Debate Forum. Thanks for our support!

I forgot about Barnabas. I think it fair to say Barnabas, like Paul, never contradicted the scriptures as did the Church Fathers. Thanks for the reminder!

Well, Jesus came about because God implanted His seed in Mary's womb. I don't know if that would be considered as having been created. God created Adam perfect and Adam blew it. All of Adam's descendants wore born with the same sin nature as Adam. Genesis 1 goes out of the way to emphasize that...

That's what I'm thinking brother, but there is a lot of faith that many Christians put into what the Church Fathers said, so I was wondering if they had any real authority to say the things they said. Personally, I don't any think any of them, as sincere as they may have been, were commissioned...

Google "shaliah." It is all about how the ancient Hebrews, as well as all the other Ancient Near East people, understood agency. Jesus was God's perfect agent. As God's agent, he always said and did exactly what his principle, God, told him to say and do. There are tons of agents God used...

Strong's Concordance definition of Apostle: G652 ἀπόστολος apostolos (a-po'-sto-los) n. 1. a delegate. 2. (specially) an ambassador of the Gospel. 3. (officially) a commissioner of Christ, “apostle” (with miraculous powers). Paul said many times that he was an apostle sent by God. 1 Cor 1:1...

Since I seem to be upsetting so many of my brothers and sisters, I think I'll bow out of this discussion. I love you all. Thanks for your stand with our Father! :)

If spirituality means throwing logic and the meaning of everyday words to the four winds, then yes, I do have a distinct lack of spirituality. BTW, I thought Jesus was given the power of judgment of who is lost and who isn't. I didn't realize there were others, such as yourself, given the same...

There are many who object to DeSantis' bill that prohibits teaching sexuality to K through 3rd grade children. Many folks think the children should be taught sexuality. I wonder how many of these same folks would think it equally OK to teach the Bible to those same kids, especially in light of...

I think I already told you I don't know everything about the scriptures, Matt 11:11 being one such verse. It's just a little unclear to me. However, I do understand 1 Cor 8:6; "But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by...

Yes what? Not sure what you meant. Does Eph 3:9 say God did the work Himself, or did He do it through Jesus? If He did it through Jesus, then Jesus acted as God's agent. I know of no other agent who is the same person as the one who hired the agent.

Then stop debating with me. Problem solved.

Lot's of people are both fathers and sons but nobody is their own father as the trinity claims.

Just because something is an institution does not make it Biblical. We got God's word through various men who God inspired to write (2 Tim 3:16). God did not need an institution to communicate His words any more than your or I need am institution to communicate the words we speak. The Koran...

Well, you yourself said, "2 distinct persons," which I've been saying all along. "The Alpha and the Omega" are titles. The title "Lord" is also applied to both God and Jesus as well as several humans. Then there is this: if you look carefully at Revelation 22 you will see that is was actually...

First of all, I do not mean to disparage Roman Catholics. I wouldn't dare guess who is God's child and who is not. That is up to God. I love all Christians, regardless of denomination. Nobody, Catholic or Protestant, can go beyond what they are taught. That much I understand. An institution is...

Yes, I understand, but any comment on the actual material in the post? Does Ephesians 3:19 say God worked through Jesus, or does it say God did the work Himself? Does 2 Timothy 2:15 tell us to study the Church Fathers and Catechism, or does it say to study the scriptures? Just telling me to...

Wickedness compounds because a dear child of God might make a mistake? Do you know it all? If not, why are you not compounding wickedness? I'm starting to see a lot of un-Christ like behavior here. Not that I'm perfect. The only perfect one is Jesus, but we can and should do better than...

Well, I see that Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. That's in Rev 17:14. I also see all things created THROUGH Jesus. Eph 3:9, And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus...