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Yes, I'm sure that is also true in many cases.

This water baptism thing is not just a matter of incorrect interpretation, it's a matter of life or death, spiritually speaking.

Depends on where the heart is. I have seen some make that turn and find the light.

Well when you're destined to be the elite, you can do that. You and I will just spend eternity looking up to them it seems. You do know they are superior to us?

It seems there are 2 sets of the 144,000, according to Barney. One set the spiritual Jews (the vision) and the second, no doubt the JW's, (the literal). If you want it to fit your narrative, just spiritualize whatever it is then fill in the blanks.

It would be well worth your time to read this, user! Does Acts 2:38 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation? | GotQuestions.org

There is always hope that he will begin a thorough study to see what we speak is truth.

We've gone over that! It does not agree with the rest of scripture. Paul, John, and James never mention water baptism for the remission of sins. In Acts 10, Peter plainly says the same as Paul, John and James. Acts 10:43 "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever...

The question from the jailer was, "what must I do to be saved." The answer from Paul, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved." When "they spoke unto him the Word of the Lord," that was the Gospel that they gave him. How that Christ died for his sin and was buried, and rose...

Jesus said to seek ye first the Kingdom of God and all these things will be added to you. He never promised that you wouldn't be poor, and He certainly didn't promise you a prosperous life in materials things. He promised that your needs would be met! Now the Word of Faith crowd will glorify...

I choose to follow Christ "because He first loved me" by giving His life as a ransom for my sins. I may suffer poverty one day as many of the followers of Christ did throughout scripture. But I will follow Him for the right reasons.

No one is denying the necessity of water baptism, the argument is the purpose of it. It's plain to see here that water baptism had no role in the initial salvation of the jailer and his house. The apostles water baptized immediately after the acceptance of Christ as Saviour. If you didn't obey...

The Word of Faith Ministries! The money Gospel!

Oh, I see! The driving force behind obedience to Christ is "favor and profit."

I agree with most of this, except the 144,000 part. Looks like JW propaganda. The 144,000 are the first fruits of Israel coming to Christ during the Great Tribulation. 12,000 from each tribe. Are you saying these 144,000 are the JW?

You won't see this on CNN, NBC, or MSNBC.

The 12 apostles didn't know that God had granted salvation to Gentiles until Cornelius and his household were saved, the Jews were shocked when they seen it. They believed only a Jew could be saved. But Paul already knew it from the revelation you mentioned. Best advise I've seen on this forum...

It's difficult not to like him. In fact you want to help him. He reminds of what my grandpa used to say, you can take a mule to water but you can't make him drink.

Hello Scott! It could be that you have been misunderstood in your use of "Was Jesus not slain before the foundation of the world" Maybe you could elaborate?

Satan is defeated, Christ took care of that on the Cross, and Satan knows it. Col. 2:15 "And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it." When Satan deceived Adam and Eve in the Garden, man not only fell from God's Grace, he became the...