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ATP, you are attempting to make the text say something other than what it is intending to say. The point here is simple: Someone can chop off your head, but they cannot separate you from God's love. All of the forces of Satan can attack you, but they cannot separate you from God's love...

Yes, ATP. We are more than conquerors "through him who loved us." If a person cuts off their connection to Christ through unbelief, then they are no longer in Christ nor do they belong to those that God is "for." Paul has just talked about in Romans 8 that this refers to those who are in the...

Well, it was moving away from the whole, "antecedent refers to which pronoun" discussion. :) Yes, I like the NASB as well. I think the ESV and NASB are very similar translations. I understand the differences in the translations and I dont hate the NIV...I just think some of its efforts to...

mj, Your comments are a misrepresentation of non-OSAS views. Of course our security is in Christ. However, we come to Christ by faith, not by pan-causal predetermination. Do you believe the unbelieving are secure in Jesus? Why not? Because they dont have faith. Unless you are a...

Did anyone reference "sinless perfection"? I think the Scriptures clearly teach that we should walk as Jesus did and try to be like him. We have been given the example of Christ and the Spirit of Christ. Moreover, the Church is called the "body of Christ" that is to carry on the work of...

If I were to commit to a position on the issue, I would probably contend that Barnabas wrote the epistle. He was a Jew. He spent time with Paul so that would explain the Pauline flavor to the Epistle and he was one who walked with the eyewitnesses. Also, I think many in church history...

Okay, we can move on, but just as a side note, I love the ESV. I think it is a far better translation than the NIV. The NIV's egalitarian focus, use of atonement rather than propitiation in the translation of hilaskomai and its use of "sinful nature" for sarx and other such means of the...

You are missing the point, Stan. I am simply showing that in the English language, the nearest antecedent is not always used to identify the pronoun. That was the only point I was trying to make. We shouldnt be so quick to look at an English sentence and demand that the pronoun be identified...

Yes, like I said, this is possible, but the pronouns do not always refer to the most immediate antecedent. Consider the following verse... According to you, grammar demands that "they" refers to "Peter and John" since this is the nearest possible antecedent, but clearly this makes no sense...

Well, I would disagree with the grammatical rules you are citing here. Neither the English or Greek are so concrete as you suggest. It is possible that the 12 Apostles is the antecedent to which "they" refers, but this is certainly ambiguous and many scholars believe it most likely is...

“Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.” (1 John 2:6, NIV84) “Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:” (Philippians 2:5, NIV84) “To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.” (1...

THE FOCUS OF 1 PETER 2:8 The focus on 1 Peter 2 is "believing." Those who believe in Jesus are not put to shame/dishonored/humiliated. Yet, those who believe are given honor. This is the contrast. The emphasis is our belief. Then, the passages turn to the result of that personal choice of...

Perhaps you need to clarify your OP because clearly most are not understanding what kind of discussion you are looking to promote here. This is what you said in the OP... I disagreed with this premise. I argued that there are fruitful people on both sides. This is a debatable issue and so I...

There are devoted, God-loving and God-fearing Christians amongst Calvinists and non-Calvinists. This is not an issue of salvation so I dont think it is appropriate to say that the correct group should produce fruit while those in error will not. If that were the case, none of us would produce...

There is an elect group, according to the foreknowledge of the Father. Elect individuals are not predetermined. They are foreknown. If they were predetermined, then foreknowledge would be meaningless. Election is based on our enduring in the faith. God knows who will endure and thus he...

I understand, and maybe that is correct. Maybe it is intended to be men only in that verse. Yet we see in the previous chapter there were plenty of men in the upper room. Not only do we have the disciples, but also the brothers of Jesus (which could be brothers and sisters), as well as at...

I have to disagree. It never says the tongues only fell on the Apostles. The women and the brothers of Jesus were also there in the upper room. Look at the comparison between what Paul describes and what we see in Acts 2... It seems evident to me that the miracle was "speaking" not hearing...

blessedhope, Are you implying that those who disagree with you are lost? That passage has to do with Jesus speaking against the Pharisee's love of money. I dont understand what you are trying to say there.

I have read it many times. The Apostles were praising God in foreign languages that happened to be the native languages of many who were standing by. This caused the unbelievers in the midst to take note and wonder what was going on. This is exactly what Paul describes in 1 Cor. 14. People...

Well, I have to respectfully disagree here. Acts 2 makes it clear that the gift was a sign to the unbelievers in their midst. It seems to be the exact same thing Paul describes in 1 Cor. 14. Nowhere in the NT do we find explanations about two kinds of tongues. We have narratives about...