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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    No sir. Jesus uses the story of Noah to show the Church is sealed in the ark 6 days before the flood, just as the Church will be in the ark of heaven 6 years before destruction. The story of Lot is the second harvest. The very day Lot left Sodom destruction came, even as the very year the 12...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Please show my post where I say the rapture has already occurred for the 144.000. Because they are not even believers yet, let alone dead and risen to heaven as first fruits. It seems it is you that claim they are first fruits as spirits.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Yes they were raptured to heaven. They are first fruits before the throne. When Christ was first fruits of those that sleep, He rose from the dead. 1 Cor 15 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. Those 144,000 have not died yet as they will not...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Bub. You can't see that much is obvious. I have used scripture over and over and over to prove your doctrine is incorrect. Are you able to see and understand what is clearly written? It certainly doesn't appear so. I use the written Word of God for my doctrine. You spiritualize the written...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Correct. Correct. The 144,000 are first fruits that are raptured to heaven. Revelation 14 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Jesus comes at the 6th seal for a harvest. All go to heaven..........and are seen in heaven when the marriage supper takes place. After the marriage supper the armies of heaven return to the earth and Armageddon occurs. At the 7th trumpet, Jesus sets up His kingdom on earth.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    IT IS NOT MID TRIB. IT is immediately after the tribulation............post trib and pre wrath. Matthew 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    EXACTLY. No sir, it's prewrath. Its clearly marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. It's post trib and prewrath. Yes you do. And that harvest takes place at the 6th seal. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24, is the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal, is the coming of Jesus in Revelation 14...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Please explain how you think I have changed Revelation What have I changed? What in Revelation is changed
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I love Perry Stone brother. But he thinks the wrath of lamb is different from wrath of God. Is the lamb not God? I value the things that Perry teaches as you get a good perspective from the Jewish side. He's actually one of my favorites, but he does not understand there is two raptures.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Revelation 6 12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; 13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Don't fall for that Perry Stone stuff. Love the man, but is not the lamb................God. The wrath of the Lamb is the wrath of God. The tribulation is over at the 6th seal............BEFORE the wrath of God. One pretrib. One post trib, the second coming and the returns at the end of wrath...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I am not saying there is a mid trib rapture. There is a pretrib rapture of the Church and there is a rapture immediately after the tribulation at the 6th seal of the 12 tribes across the earth. This is why there are 144,000 first fruits of this harvest. The harvest occurs at the 6th seal which...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    There are two raptures. One like the days of Noah where the flood comes 7 days after Noah is told to enter the ark and one like the days of Lot where the very day Lot left Sodom destruction came. There are two raptures. One before the tribulation which is the seals and one after the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Ah, the details. Did the people of Jesus destroy the city of Jerusalem? What do you have to do make up to make this work? Daniel 9 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    They are sealed AFTER the 70th week of Daniel begins and BEFORE the great tribulation.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes that are before the throne, prove that the seed of the woman will be regrafted onto the olive tree. You may not understand that if you erroneously believe that the 144,000 represents anything but those of the 12 tribes.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The fig tree has two harvests. FACT.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    No. There is a 7 year period It is the 70th week of Daniel The great tribulation is shortened because if it was not there would be no flesh saved. Most think that means there will be no one left alive on the earth. That is not correct. It means if the days were not shortened, there would be no...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    This is in the future. God is going to regraft the olive tree with natural branches.