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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Brother, this does not prove that the 144,000 represents those in the old testament. The 144,000 are first fruits of the second harvest. When they are sealed they are believers. So when the 144,000 first fruits are sealed you know there are 144,000 from the twelve tribes that have become...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Are you taking credit for this or should we give credit to Mathison. The problem with Supersessionism, also known as Covenant Theology or Replacement Theology is that it failed to believe that God would keep His promise to Israel. It jumps right to end where both folds end up in one-fold but...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    That memo is not coming. The reason that memo is not coming is because most people think that the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 occurs when Christ returns with the armies of heaven. You being one of the few that understands that there are two raptures should know that is not the case. No sir...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Is there any scriptural support for this conclusion?
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Just because there is symbolism in scripture that does not give you license to make up things to make your doctrine work. It's pretty easy to determine when symbolism is used and when it's not. As to what the four horsemen represent, we can find that in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 4 And Jesus...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Thanks for clearing this up. Do not you claim that the 144,000 is the Church or am I in error?
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    That's puzzling. Suddenly you want to agree that Christ sets up His kingdom at the 7th trumpet, but somehow you don't think wrath has begun. Wow. If Christ has set up His kingdom, Armageddon is already over. Simple logic. Impossible. The tribulation begins when the seals are opened. They are...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I am unaware of what you are talking about. All I heard from you is a bunch of personal attacks. That always happens when scripture is used to prove what you are saying is wrong. All you do is make things up by spiritualizing the Word of God that does not agree with your doctrine.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I guess you haven't realized that the 70th week of Daniel is about the people of Daniel. And yet you have the Church going through the trumpets of wrath and you can't figure out that Christ sets up His kingdom at the 7th trumpet. No, the Church can escape all these things that will come to...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I think I was so busy laughing when you called me a loser, I didn't pay much attention to anything else.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    What false witness are you referring to? It seems you have to resort to name calling because your understanding of the Word is limited.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    There is nothing symbolic about the 7 seals, the 7 trumpets or the 7 vials. Christ sets up His physical kingdom on earth. Where do you come up with this stuff. It is a millennial kingdom. Christ sets up this kingdom at the 7th trumpet. Why would I not answer that? The red dragon is Satan. You...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The Church is sealed and they do not go through the tribulation or wrath of God. The 144,000 are sealed and are the first fruits of the second harvest at the 6th seal Those that are harvested at the 6th seal are not going through the wrath of God. No one that is sealed goes through the wrath of...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    God goes to a lot of trouble to tell you it's a literal number and yet you do not believe. The reason you don't believe is that your doctrine needs the Church to be on earth during the tribulation because you can't see that the Church is already in heaven before the seals are opened. That...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    I have. Do you understand the wrath of God is over at the 7th trumpet?
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Oh, I knew you didn't agree, as I have read some of your other posts. But if you followed my line of thought you would be the first. And I find that quite strange as I have no need to make anything up. I just read what it says and that's what I believe. :cool:
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    You're the first...........LOL And Grace and Peace to you also.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    The are certainly of the twelve tribes of Israel. However, I know it looks like they are sealed to go through the wrath of God and are on earth at the 5th trumpet , but they are off the earth BEFORE the Great Tribulation. This we can prove.
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    Rev 3 8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name. As the Word declares, there are those that will escape all these things that come to pass. The things Jesus talks...
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    The 144,000 before God at the end.

    There will be Gentile Christians that are not found worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, as they are not watching and ready for the Coming of the Lord. They will find the door closed and will go through the tribulation. Many Christians boast against the natural branches...