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The Word says that there will be a pretribulation rapture. The Word says there is a post tribulation rapture. Then the Lord returns with the armies of heaven after the marriage supper. You see none of this. It's all rolled into one fairytale for those that think they have replaced Israel.

That was a shellacking.

Please attempt to show where scripture contradicts me. If it does, I'll change what I believe.

The seals are not opened. The seals are the 70th week of Daniel which is about the people of Daniel.

So the Church is raptured before the seals are opened as we can escape ALL these things that will come to pass. Then God turns His attention to the seed of the woman, the 12 tribes across the earth as part of Israel has their blindness removed when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. There is...

As I said, the same day Noah turned 600 the flood was upon the earth. Simple. If this was verse one and there were no verses before it, would you be capable of understanding the verses including vs 14? Pretty simple. Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark in the self same day...

Seems clear enough. Noah went in and 7 days after He was told to enter the ark the flood came. Genesis 7 9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the...

Ain't that the truth. The Word tells us what first fruits are and then tell us who the 144,000 first fruits are. But the truth is not good enough. They find it necessary to make things up to attempt to get their doctrine to work as the Word does not agree with their doctrine.

Imagined second harvest? Hosea 9 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved. The Word says there...

Whoa. The Word says they are first fruits. I am only agreeing with what is written. I find no need to make up a bunch of spiritualizing nonsense The 144,000 are not Old Covenant saints. They are of the seed of the woman who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ...

No. These 144,000 are of the seed of the woman. They are the firstfruits of the coming SECOND harvest. You are trying to make the 1st fruits the harvest. They are not the harvest, they are the first fruits of the harvest. And they are in heaven BEFORE the great tribulation. Revelation 14 And I...

I am not saying that the 144,000 are old testament saints. I'm say now YOU ARE TELLING ME that the 144,000 are old testament saints. I've heard that they are the Chuch, all of Israel and now I'm hearing that they are old testament saints. All these are poppycock. Of course THEY ARE NOT Old...

Sorry about that. I fumble fingered. Hosea 9

The first thing God told Noah was to enter the ark with all thy house. You think Noah did not enter the ark until the 7th day? Noah did as God told Him and entered the ark. Genesis 7 1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before...

The first fruits are NOT OLD COVENANT SAINTS. Hosea 6 10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved...

No problem. I allege that the 144,000 are first fruits from 12 tribes of Israel. Here is the Biblical proof. Do you have any proof that this is in error? Revelation 7 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the...

There is a grain harvest and a fruit harvest. Jacob had two brides, The fig tree has two harvests. The Lord himself comes at one coming and He sends His angels in another coming. One coming the dead rises first then the alive are caught up and another coming the dead and alive are changed at the...

Those that are caught up will be in heaven with the Lord at the marriage supper.

Wow! Now the 144,000 are Old Covenant saints. I've never heard anyone make that up before. I heard the nonsense that the 144,000 is the Church. I've heard the baloney that the 144,000 is all of Israel and now I get to hear that the malarkey that the 144,000 are Old Testament saints. Is there...

You are confusing the Noah story which is the Church safely sealed in the ark 6 days before the flood with the story of Lot who left Sodom the same day the flood came. The story of Noah is a type showing the Church raptured before the tribulation. The story of Lot shows destruction the day Lot...