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  1. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    The first thing I'd like to say is that the new birth is affected by incorruptible seed. 1Pet 1:23, Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. My earthly father gave me corruptible seed and yet I can't stop being his...
  2. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Chapter and verse, please? I mean from the scriptures, not the Catechism. For the record, I think you are a wonderful son of God. I'm sure He is well please with you. God bless you richly my brother.
  3. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Well, I don't really see any of those verses saying that he is God, but if they do say he is God we have many problems. Jesus has the same God and Father as we do. John 20:17, Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them...
  4. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    All good points. Another relevant aspect is agency. In the Ancient Near East an agent was considered virtualy identical to the one who sent him. Pharaoh gave Joseph complete authority over Egypt. Joseph's words were as good as Pharaoh's. The only thing Joseph did not have was Pharaoh's throne...
  5. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    I understand that to be Orthodox (accepted) church doctrine, but any opinion as to the OP? Did Paul or Athenasius tell us the right way to get born again? To save you the trouble of going to the OP, Paul said in Romans 10:9-10 that if we make Jesus our Lord and believe God raised him from the...
  6. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Precisely! It is the truth determined by God and communicated to us by way of the scriptures. I'm not too keen on accepting something written several hundred years after Paul, especially when it appears to contradict what Paul said.
  7. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Maybe I wasn't clear. Absolutely, it is necessary to get born again to receive the gift of holy spirit (Acts 2). That is the divine nature we have. It is Christ in us (Col 1:27). Anyway, the OP was just asking if Paul or Athenasius had to correct formula (for want of a better word) to get born...
  8. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    It means the "accepted" doctrine by churches. About 98% of Christians believe Jesus is God, which makes it the Orthodox, or accepted, doctrine. However, truth is determined by the scriptures, not by committee.
  9. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    Jesus is the mediator between us and God. 1Tim 2:5, For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
  10. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    I understand that to be the Orthodox doctrine. I wasn't trying to say it was right or wrong. What I did say is that those who believe Jesus is the son of God and not God the son doesn't mean they think he was a mere man. Quite the opposite. For a man, tempted just like you and shares the same...
  11. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Well, I didn't deny the divinity of Christ. It's the very same divinity we all share. 2 Pet 1:4, Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. I'm...
  12. Rich R

    Who has the authority…

    Well, I didn't find it necessary to interpret anything you said in your Post. It's a good Post. Interpretation means to make clear. Since everything you wrote is already quite clear, it was not necessary to interpret anything. I just read what you wrote and the meaning is very clear. I'd say...
  13. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Think about that for a moment. What was the purpose of a priest? A priest acted as a mediator between God and man. 1Tim 2:5, For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; If Jesus were God, that would mean God is a mediator between God and man. That would...
  14. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Sure I can speak with Jesus. Why not? He was dead, but God raised him from among the dead. He is alive and well, sitting on the right hand of God (Heb 10:12), and in me (Col 1:27). He has a new improved body though. It's no longer subject to death. He did some pretty neat things in his new body...
  15. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Paul was clear in saying that many false teachers were coming on the scene. He even said that everybody in Asian had turned against them. He said the time is coming when nobody will endure sound doctrine. He named several names. In general, it appears the early church was in shambles even before...
  16. Rich R

    Was Jesus a mere man?

    Yes, yes, and yes! It's so simple if we take Jesus to be the son of God, period, end of story. No need to add God the Son. All that does is take the greatest story ever told and make it into an incomprehensible mess. Hmmm...God always obeyed Himself. And, wow, He even believed He's raise...
  17. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    No, I'm not JW. I think I'm not that much different than yourself. Yes on the two kinds of tongues. One is for our private prayer lives. But if we speak in tongues in a group, it should be interpreted. Otherwise, as Paul said, the speaker still gets edified, but it does nothing for those...
  18. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    I answered that in another post. You should get it soon. Our letters crossed in the mail. :)
  19. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    Yes, how one acts is the key. Good point. I believe 1 Corinthians 8:6: 1 Cor 8:6, But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. I believe the one God is the Father. Jesus is not my...
  20. Rich R

    Paul or Athenasius - Who Speaks the Truth?

    I was hoping to discuss the scriptures. I don't want to make it about me or you. God knows what Romans 10:9-10 does for me and that's good enough. Nobody else needs to know. To avoid a question, one must first be asked the question. If you did ask it, I'm sorry, but I missed it. In any case, I...