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  1. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    How is, "Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God" the same as, "Jesus is God in the flesh?" The two statements are diametrically opposed to each other. If words have any meaning, one person can't be a son and their own father at the same time. If so, then it opens up the floodgates to assign any...
  2. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    Yes, Jesus and God are both called our savior, but that in and of itself does not say they are one and the same person. In the Ancient Near East, an agent had virtually the same power and authority as the one who sent them. Joseph and Pharaoh are a great illustration of this concept. Gen 41:40...
  3. Rich R

    The Problem with 2 Peter 1:1

    There is much written about Sharp's rule, but most is quite technical, frankly beyond my ability to fully comprehend. But I do know that there a many reputable scholars who disagree with it. It's not something cast in stone for sure. The many translations you noted also indicate that there is...
  4. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Did you try to find anything about agency for yourself, or is it nonsense simply because you don't like it? Just because it's never mentioned in Sunday morning church services doesn't mean it's not a thing. Google "hebrew agency in the bible." There's tons of documentation. You might also...
  5. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Geez, it wasn't that long ago that the count was about 20,000. Progress???
  6. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    I don't see anywhere anything about "false" gods. If you don't believe the clear declaration in 1 Corinthians 8:6, take a look at the scope of the whole Bible. It is clear that there are in fact many gods. There are several verses in the OT that name some of these gods. Corinthians does not say...
  7. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    "He will be called..." not "He will be..." A name is a name. I might point out that a name to an Ancient Near Easterner has way more significance than it does to our modern West. Was Joshua also God? His name means, "Yahweh-saved." Besides that, Isaiah doesn't say Jesus would be called YHWH...
  8. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    I get it now. We'll all figure it out when Jesus returns and we'll know ourselves like He knows us now (1 Cor 13:12). Unfortunately, until then we'll probably have all the division. Too bad, but as you said, the devil is alive and active. God bless
  9. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Gen 23:5-6, 5 And the children of Heth answered Abraham, saying unto him, 6 Hear us, my lord: thou [art] a mighty prince among us: in the choice of our sepulchres bury thy dead; none of us shall withhold from thee his sepulchre, but that thou mayest bury thy dead. The children of Heth...
  10. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    1 Timothy 3:16 does not say Jesus is God. The original texts have the word "which" instead of "God," So it doesn't say God was manifested. It says the mystery of godliness. Not sure about your analogy. Every individual that ever lived is multifaceted, but not all individuals are somehow one...
  11. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    No, I didn't want to tell anybody that. Here's what I actually said: "There is also the argument that Bob is Bob, that he is the husband of his wife and the father of his son, thus proving the trinity. Very well. But if we want to make a comparison between Bob and the trinity, we would actually...
  12. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Any comments on 2 Peter 1:4? Specifically, ff we and Jesus both have a divine nature, why is Jesus God but we're not? Is there two different types of divine nature? I see many times (about 50) in the Bible where Jesus is the son of God. It takes a complete abandonment of simple words and...
  13. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes on YHWH. That is indeed the name of the one true God. And you are right about it being a bit confusing if we read most English translations. That's why I had to get into the Greek. Anyone proficient in Greek would have to agree with me. That's just how it is. Greek was probably the most...
  14. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Those verses are all true. How about the following verses: John 20:17, Jesus saith to her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended unto the Father: but go unto my brethren, and say to them, I ascend unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God. 1 Pet 1:3, Blessed be the God and...
  15. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Yes, but they were supposedly baptized in the name of the Father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. Note the commas missing in Michael Jacob Jackson. Commas are small things that make a big difference (kinda like a jot or a tittle). No need to abandon normal language just because it's the Bible...
  16. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    Very true; water can be liquid, ice, or steam, but certainly not all at the same time. Sometimes it's water, sometimes it's ice, and sometimes it's steam. If we use this analogy, we would be forced to conclude that sometimes God is Jesus, sometimes God is the Father, and sometimes God is the...
  17. Rich R

    One and Triune God.

    If Matthew 28:19 was actually in the original text (virtually all Bible scholars say it was forged), it still wouldn't make the three people mentioned somehow actually one person. Such an idea has to be introduced from sources outside of the scriptures. Why does naming three people somehow...
  18. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    It's not possible to prove a negative, so I'll try to prove the positive, i.e. that calling Jesus Lord does not of necessity make him God. 1Cor 8:5, For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and - lords), So we see there are more...
  19. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    Yes, Colossians is talking about the new creation of Christ in us, the body of Christ. It is not talking about the creation of Genesis 1. Good point. I'm not sure who said Jesus was created, but it wasn't me for sure. As you said, he was the firstborn which does not mean created. Two different...
  20. Rich R

    A Curious Question For Non-Trinitarians

    You're right my friend! Colossians 1:15 does not say Jesus was created. The word "created," though used elsewhere (meaning God knows that word), is not used in this verse. Col 1:15, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: firstborn - comes from two Greek words...