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Here is a list of the verses that are known as a “thief in the night” verse. Many use these in their argument for a pre-trib rapture or the theology of imminence regarding the timing of the return of the Lord. If the focus of these verses were a message to “watch for Christ” then several...

Hi Michael, You made a couple of statements that I don't quite understand. First: "The flood account in the book of Genesis is also another terrible expression of God's wrath. But in all these cases the wrath being described, is all about temporal judgment, not eternal." Once you're dead...

Hi N2, Well, I read the article you offered and I have some comments about it but first I want to address this statement you made: “This is something I’m still learning, yes I'm leaning that way, however I’m not convinced the seals are in order...Take the below verse for example Revelation 6:1 –...

Hi N2, I see, you view the seals, trumpets and vials as parallel to each other while pre-wrath views them as sequential as written.

Hi Xhavon, Your words: "They are sent to the church who will reject them and treat them shamefully." I believe they will spend most of their time in Israel as that is where they are killed. They aren't sent to the church in general, if anything it might include some gentile unbelievers but I...

Hi Michael, Your words: "I haven't heard this from anyone who believes in a pre-wrath "rapture". Pre-wrath is very different from pre-trib. The only belief we share with pre-tribbers is the belief that there will be a rapture, where living christians will meet the Lord in the air, which is the...

Hi N2, Neither Marcus nor I believe we will be "gathered" before the great trib. We believe our "gathering" will end the great trib, as the great trib is on the church, not the world in general. They face the wraths of Christ and God, to which the church is not appointed to. There is no such...

And after 2000 views Don't think too highly of yourself. I doubt if there are ten paying any attention at all, I'm sure most of them are wondering how I could put up with this nonsense for so long.

S4C, "To do that, you’d need to find “rapture” in scripture and, of course, as you've just admitted, it’s not there. End of story." As I've said before, the word "Trinity" isn't in scripture either but I'm certainly not going to deny that truth just because the word isn't used. Grow up! You're...

Hi S4C, From post 151: "1 Thes. 4:17 - "Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." Regarding your meet and greet scenario. This is the only verse that has a valid relationship to...

Hi S4C, Your words: "Tell us how any truth seeker can be edified by continuing to equate an unscriptural theory with scriptural truth." Because it is not an "unscriptural" theory. Perhaps God hasn't revealed the reality of it to you because you're just not ready to receive it. You've described...

Hi Michael, Your words: "If things get really bad, and in trials they commonly do, will we assume that God has abandoned us in spite of the Word that He has given to us?" I dislike repeating myself. If you had read any of my comments before making this statement you would know that a belief in...

There is another simpler answer to this dilemma. First, Esau wasn't "tricked" out of his birthright, he sold it and Jacob "bought" it fair and square. God in His fore-knowledge knew that Esau didn't care about it. He wasn't interested in following God's ways. A very important part of the story...

Hi Michael, Your words: "Pardon me if I'm reading more into your comments than is really there, but I agree with those here who believe that Rapture doctrine is a destructive heresy and false gospel." How do you think believing in a rapture changes anything as you presented it? It seems to me...

HearGod, I would assume he is speaking of this scripture. Mark 2:27-28 - "And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: 28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath."

Hi Rocky, I can't say that I agree with your conclusions. Regarding Matt. 13:30, Your words: "In the above scripture, Jesus is speaking to Jews. He is telling them to let both tares and wheat grow (number of those Jews that had died under law) until the time of harvest (judgment day, last day...

Hi Marcus, Good job explaining it clearly and precisely.

Hi Rocky, Your words: "Let us take a look at judgment day (what some call rapture): Mat 13:30 "Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my...

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Hi Keras, Your words: "But that is what I expect, because both you and Trekson have consistently ignored my requests to provide scriptures that say anyone will go to live in heaven." The implication is overwhelming in the OP.