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  1. Spiritual Israelite

    Will Christ utter new words in a Premil millennium?

    So, wouldn't the new words Jesus would speak be recorded as new scripture for people to read during the supposed future thousand years? The point of this thread is to ask Premils if there would be any new scripture that would be written as a result of the supposed future thousand years. Do you...
  2. Spiritual Israelite

    Operation Rising Lion

    What did he say that you disagree with? I don't see anything he said that disagrees with what you said here. Be more specific about what exactly you have a problem with in his post.
  3. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    The wrath of the Lamb follows what is described in both Revelation 6:12-17 and Matthew 24:29, so I don't know how anyone can deny that they are speaking of the same event.
  4. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Amils have no problem with looking at all of scripture. The problem is that Premil contradicts a lot of New Testament scripture. You can't use Old Testament scripture to cover up how your doctrine contradicts a lot of New Testament scriptures. Your solution for fixing those contradictions is to...
  5. Spiritual Israelite

    It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

    LOL at comparing the Amil vs. Premil debate to Communism. You are out of your mind.
  6. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    He specifically said their BODIES are asleep in the grave, not their souls. You have the worst reading comprehension skills I've ever seen. He said Jesus brings their souls with Him from heaven, so he did not say their souls are asleep. They are alive and will be reunited with their resurrected...
  7. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Those who belong to Jesus are "the chosen". Romans 8:33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 Who then is the one who condemns? No one. Christ Jesus who died—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also...
  8. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    I completely disagree. There is a serious lack of attention to detail going on here. Being redeemed FROM the earth indicates a different location than earth. What time period do you think this represents? They are said to be before the throne. The throne is in heaven, not on earth. Also, are...
  9. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    This is ridiculous. The other sheep are Gentiles. The Jewish sheep fold and the Gentile sheep fold were joined together into one fold by Jesus. It's no different than when Paul talked about Jew and Gentile believers being joined together as "one new man" and "one body" by the blood of Christ...
  10. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    So, those who would die during the supposed future 1,000 year reign of Christ would later be resurrected, right? Where do you think scripture speaks of their resurrection? Why did Jesus speak of all of the dead being resurrected at the same time if they instead will be resurrected on multiple...
  11. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    @David in NJ Why the sad face in response to this post? Do you have any scripture directly relating the feasts to end times? Pre-tribs try to say that the feasts relate to end times and that proves there are two raptures. That is what I'm mainly arguing against, but I don't see any scripture...
  12. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    The New Testament has a great deal to say about end times doctrine. Why would it say nothing about all those things he asked you about? Were the NT authors somehow not aware of the idea of two raptures and all that nonsense you believe in and that's the only reason they didn't write about it...
  13. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    It's getting a bit tiresome destroying pre-trib over and over again. They are too prideful to acknowledge how weak that doctrine is. They have no clear scriptures to base their doctrine on whatsoever. They make utterly ludicrous claims like equating Revelation 4 with the rapture or claiming that...
  14. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Nowhere, of course. As can be plainly seen, they make everything up. Pre-trib is not based on scripture at all. It is 100% imaginary.
  15. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    Nowhere does scripture connect the feasts to end times. That's all in pre-tribs imagination. Don't think it's not noticeable that you are not able to show any scripture which directly links the feasts to end times. It's all made up in your imaginations. Your doctrine is based on fairy tales that...
  16. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    This is all speculation that comes from your imagination. Nowhere does scripture teach two separate harvests/raptures. We are all ONE in Christ. God only has ONE people and they will ALL be raptured at the same time. Your attempts to DIVIDE God's people are completely unbiblical and an insult to...
  17. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    I already told you. Do you not read my posts, either? Revelation 14:14-17 and Revelation 19 (verse 7 in particular talks about the bride being ready for the marriage, so that is when the rapture occurs). I think he agrees with me that it is portrayed in Revelation 11:12, also. That is 100%...
  18. Spiritual Israelite

    When did the 2nd temple literally initially cease being the holy place?

    Yes, it could because at the time Jesus was speaking it was still the holy place. So, it was perfectly reasonable for Him to refer to the 2nd temple as the holy place while He was speaking during the Olivet Discourse. You assume that it would still have to be considered the holy place in 70 AD...
  19. Spiritual Israelite

    PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

    A book? LOL. Hardly. Regardless, you should never ask that question again. You also should stop claiming that the church isn't referenced in Revelation 6-19 anymore because that is possibly the most ludicrous claim I've ever seen. And I know that's a typical pre-trib claim which is why pre-trib...
  20. Spiritual Israelite

    Unlike Amillennialism, Premillennialism is based on assumptions and speculation rather than on any clear, straightforward scriptures

    It has happened too many times. It's quite obvious that you would never say anything to another pre-trib about being dishonest with scripture even if you saw it happening. You won't even address another pre-trib turning temptation and testing into God's wrath. Is that how you interpret...