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At first I thought this was a strange topic, but when I thought more about it, I have to agree that it does seem odd that nothing specific would be written about anything Jesus says or does during the supposed future thousand years on the earth. I think this is a legitimate question for Premils...

Luke 16:19-31 is not a parable. Jesus refers to real people and places there, which He never does in His parables. Soul sleep is a doctrine of demons.

You obviously didn't even read his post 138. He refers to the rapture there in Revelation 14:14-17 where it talks about the Son of Man reaping His harvest and in Revelation 19 where it talks about the bride being ready for the marriage of the Lamb. If you actually read his posts then you...

If he was a post-trib you would not let his dishonest treatment of scripture slide. Changing temptation and testing into God's wrath is a clear case of dishonesty, so why do you have a problem with calling people out for their blatant dishonesty? Why act as if we can't judge what is honest or...

What do you call it when someone turns a description of temptation and testing (Revelation 3:10) into God's wrath? You think that's an honest interpretation of the text?

There certainly can be no fruitfulness while pre-tribs blatantly and dishonestly twist scripture to make it say what they want it to say. Such as how Taken turns an hour of temptation and testing into God's wrath instead. But, naturally, you have no problem with him doing that since he is...

LOL. You are so petty. Who cares if I have seen it before? I can't love it just because I've seen it before? That's ridiculous. Are you jealous because no one ever loves any of your ridiculous posts? That view makes a lot more sense of the book than reading it all (or mostly all) chronologically...

Are they somehow not in the Church despite getting victory by the blood of the Lamb? What kind of nonsense is that? LOL! What is all this "Today's Church" nonsense? We're talking about the Church in general here and you foolishly deny that the Church is referenced at all in Revelation 6-19...

Keep reading. John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even...

There are few things more foolish than thinking we will be taken out of the world to avoid an hour of temptation and testing because of foolishly conflating temptation and testing with God's wrath.

We don't need to be delivered out of this world until the wrath of the Lamb comes on the day He returns to destroy the earth with fire (2 Peter 3:10-12). We certainly don't need to be taken out of the world to avoid temptation, as you think Revelation 3:10 teaches. Why do you think that we need...

Why are you equating God's judgments and wrath with temptation? You are constantly twisting scripture to make it say what you want it to say.

Take an English class and learn how to communicate and then get back to me.

This claim is a case of pure lunacy. Not to mention total insanity and utter foolishness. The Church is mentioned SEVERAL TIMES in Revelation 6-19! You can't be serious with this nonsense. This forum should be for serious discussion, not made up jokes like this. Revelation 6:9 When he opened...

This is an incredibly lame and weak response. Jesus: I pray that you don't take them out of the world, but protect them from evil (John 17:15). The Light: I don't care what Jesus says, please take us out of the world because I don't believe you can protect us from evil while we're in the world.

Well said. The claim by pretribs that the church on earth is not referenced at all between Revelation 4 and Revelation 19 is completely absurd.

The math for pretrib as it relates to Revelation 4:1 is one person equating to the entire church. Now, that is some fuzzy math.

Well, that's as clear as mud. Typical nonsensical pre-trib argument.

You know there is such thing as spiritual redemption and that the first Christians were called "a kind of firstfruits" (James 1:18) and their souls are in heaven now and that God's throne is in heaven, don't you? Nonsense. Where does scripture ever say that we will escape temptation and...

Of all the different doctrines that Christians believe (not just end times, but any doctrines), pretrib is easily the weakest, in my opinion. I can't take it seriously at all as a legitimate doctrine to debate against. It's utter foolishness.