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Where did I say they did? Nowhere. I specifically told you that I believe God changes our bodies from corruptible to incorruptible and that the angels then gather us and bring us to meet Christ in the air. How did you miss that? Your evidence for that is non-existent. Where does 1 Thessalonians...

Nope. Absolutely no mention of the rapture being pre-trib there. Try again.

Where does it say anything about a coming of Christ there? Nowhere. That's referring to souls of believers being with Jesus in heaven.

Is there a problem, Saint Taken? Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the...

Where did Paul ever teach a pre-trib rapture?

Right. He is coming from heaven only once in the future and it will be in the same way or manner as He left earth and it will be "to bring salvation to those who are waiting to Him". Nowhere does scripture teach that He will descend from heaven twice in the future. Acts 1:9 After he said this...

You are completely incapable of refuting post-trib. You've proven that many times. Your arguments are always incoherent.

You were shown Matthew 24:29-31 which has Jesus returning immediately AFTER the TRIBULATION of those days at which point the elect will be gathered, which shows His coming and the rapture is post-trib, and you just dismissed that. You obviously will dismiss any argument made to prove post-trib...

What is the point of these questions?

How about you be more clear about what you're talking about? I'm sure he does not deny that the following passages apply to all saved, born again believers including him. Romans 6:6 For we know that our old self was crucified with him so that the body ruled by sin might be done away with, that...

Well said, saint covenantee.

If you're asking if my soul is saved and if my spirit is born again of the Holy Spirit, then yes. Why do you ask? How about you answer the same questions? I don't know exactly what you are referencing here in relation to covenantee, but, no, I was not literally bodily crucified with Jesus since...

You have very bad reading comprehension skills. While I agree with you about post-trib and disagree with his pre-trib view, he did not indicate a belief in soul sleep there. Read what he said again. He said this: Can you not see there that he said Jesus will bring the souls of Christians who...

If that was a different event than Matthew 24:29-31 with Jesus doing all of the gathering of His people to Himself "in the air", then why would He use angels to do the gathering at the later event instead of just doing it Himself?

No, I'm expecting God to change my body and the bodies of all believers from corruptible to incorruptible at the last trumpet when Jesus returns and then for angels to take us (the church, Christians) to meet Christ in the air at which point He will then destroy all of His enemies (1...

Okay, so you agree that the resurrection/rapture event involves a gathering of Christ's people. So, why did you act as if 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 is not related to a gathering of Christ's people and tried to differentiate the passage from Matthew 24:29-31 in that way? Yes. Why do you ask? Do...

LOL. Do you really expect us to believe this nonsense? You know you have to try to make it a low enough number that they could actually all fit in the area around Jerusalem. There are about 8 billion people in the world today and it is estimated that there were about 300 million people in the...

He's just making up a nonsensical story in his imagination. It's utterly ridiculous. People wanting to rebel, but they can't? He bases his theory on Zechariah 14:16-19 which would indicate that people can rebel during the thousand years, but he contradicts his interpretation of that passage by...

You are the one who says that Christ's presence in the Millennium would override human free will. You said this earlier.. You have Christ and His saints overriding human free will with their rods of iron, preventing people from acting "on a rebellion they've long wanted" until the thousand years...

God is Spirit and does not have a body (John 4:24). He was not "literally bodily present among Adam and Eve before they fell". He talked to them and such, but God does not have a body. Jesus is God and also man and has a body, but God the Father does not have a body and Jesus (the Word) did not...