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Psalms 65:2-3, To you God (who hears prayers), all people will come and our transgression will be purged away. Luke 3:6, All flesh will see salvation. I Tim 2:4, God will have all men saved. Phil 2:9-11, Every single person will bring glory to God and worship Christ. Psalms 22:27, all people...

Those of us who have been blessed to receive faith in Christ here and now, in this life, and "willingly" follow Him (even unto death), then we will enjoy that first resurrection, who will reign and rule with Christ, judging the nations (those who don't believe now), we are they who Christ says...

I VERY much believe what the bible says, this is why I disagree with your understanding. The bible says that the price for sin is death. Period. It doesn't say that the penalty includes being tortured. God says nothing about it to Adam. Paul says nothing about it any where in his letters. In...

Ok? So God doesn't raise dead people alive, but raises dead people dead? So again, the wages of sin is death + infinite torture? And those in hades are not alive, but being tortured dead?

Let me see if I understand this correctly....The wages of sin is death, that is the price one pays for their sin. So, God will bring people back to life (resurrect) after they have paid the penalty for their sin, only to torture them forever. Instead of God being both merciful and just (leaving...

Thanx Prentis! I believe they are speaking of two different salvations. One, being common, granted to all by Gods grace and through Christ's work on the cross. The other, being to the "over-comers", the Bride, the faithful, the chosen, those who endure to the end, who will reign with Christ...

I'm not sure where I stand on this one...Dino's very well could have been created on "day" 6, along with man. However, I'm not against the Gap theory either, it makes a lot of sense to me.

God will not have to "over-ride" anyone's "free will"? Evil, sin, wickedness, hatred, lust, etc will not remain forever! An eternal hell preserves sin, keeping it and those who practice it alive forever. That's some messed up theology dude. Look at those passages that have the "sons of God"...

I believe we struggle with evil. I don't believe God does. God is not at war "hoping" to win some lose some...He has got it all under control. I believe all of creation will be restored...even Satan! Have you ever seen the picture of Jesus and Satan arm wrestling? Church theology teaches that...

Angelina, are we in agreement then? The penalty for sin is a physical death (flesh and blood), not eternal separation. Retro, you stopped at the end of chapter 20. Just read the rest of the book, there are two more chapters.

No, I am not a Calvinist. I oppose such doctrines. However, he did have one thing correct: God is sovereign. God is not dependent upon us. God does not need our approval for salvation. God does not "hope". God is not in heaven "crossing his fingers" hoping Jesus "might" save people. Jesus did...

I think a person does not have "free will" before being saved. A person who has not the Spirit of God cannot choose to sin or not sin. He must sin. Its only those who have both the Spirit and the flesh can choose. Those in the flesh have no choice but to sin. Those who have the Spirit can...

if the wages of sin is a physical death, then Jesus paid it in FULL. But, if the wages of sin is eternal seperation from the Father, then Jesus did NOT pay it in FULL. so are the wages of sin a physical death? or eternal seperation? When God told Adam he was going to die, did he really mean to...

That's not the end.... all things are created new (restored) and the tree of life reintroduced with its leaves of healing. Then all those who were cast into the LOF are outside open gates being invited in to drink of Life. Awesome God, awesome plan.

Yes Logabe, you say the truth. Too few Christians understand this. We've been taught for so long that there is just earth now and heaven later. But the truth is, heaven and hell are just waiting rooms until the new heavens and new earth are to be inhabited by all.

Amen! Jesus justifies all men JUST AS Adam condemned all men (ROM 5:18, 1 COR 15:22). I don't think you have understood my question? What EXACTLY is the penalty for sin? (Scripture please...)

Reconciled does not mean "trade places"? It means "to make good" or "bring to right". When Jesus tells us to be reconciled to our brother, he is not saying to "trade places" with him. The whole point of Jesus coming is that He left heaven, stopped being "God" and became "one of us". Jesus...

Penal Substitutionary Atonement: We would all agree that Christ atoned for sin. "To make good", he sure has and surely will. Did he pay the price for sin? YES! What was/is the price for sin? Was he a substitute? Died "in place of"? If the price for sin is eternal seperation From God, did...

no dodo, God could be a torturer....but it wouldn't be in the character that He has revealed to us in scripture.

Ok, you said a few things here I want to bring into light. First, free will: that big truck that pulled out in front of you this morning then went 20 miles an hour under the speed limit all the way to your turn off and made you late for work. Did you will that to happen? Or did God set that...