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Jesus made the way to salvation and actually is the way and salvation. WE choose that way or not. Our choice decides our redemption, He made the way to be redeemed and planned that before the world began. That in no way means we are destined to hell or heaven, it means He made the way for us to...

To be crucified with Christ does not mean to be nailed to crosses on a hill. We are saved by faith in Jesus. After that we should try to keep the old man/body down. Paul tried. Paul was saved before he died. We all are. No one in the tribulation or elsewhere must be killed to be saved. It is not...

Of course we who were raptured will be with Jesus at the end of the tribulation. So why would witnesses needed to witness in that last time on earth (144,000) not be on earth in that time? What does us being Raptured before the tribulation have to do with the 144,000 witnesses? It is also a...

So before we saw that 144,000 I notice this.. 14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. So all islands moved away (Australia etc) and the heavens folded up and were no more. I don't think one could rationally...

OK so it is just the 2 witnesses and not the 144,000 you think get killed. I do not recall any verse that says we must die to get sealed? It seems to me witnesses (144,000 in this case) need to be alive to witness.

So whose bodies are killed? The 144,000?

Not really. Israel will be invaded in the end. That does not mean anointed people are invaded, but that the area and nation of Israel will be attacked and many killed. So it depends on the context. If we are talking spiritually and 'true' Israel, that is different. And God has not gathered them...

Yes, Bob it does six ways from Sunday. Example. Romans 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: Clear as a bell. Your quest is to believe it. Or not. Pretending it does not say what it...

The word says they will Bob. Relax. It's in the bag.

If all Israel gets saved they meet that requirement Bob.

The (part of) Israel that will be saved is not the (part of) Israel that is saved today. Isaiah 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Isaiah 41:17 When the poor and needy seek water, and there is none, and their tongue faileth for...

No. We see he had councils with God in heaven with Satan attending. The accuser of the saints accuses us day and night to God.

He will be cast down with his angels and have but a short time here.

The topic is when God restores Israel, not 'all of God's people'.

I think that Israel gets saved and restored and has a great time under the protection of God in the millennium in the promised land! The ones who died were mostly the rebels that refuse Jesus before that.

Yes. Glimpses of truth He has for us.

Right, God sets the limits The council or court session mentioned in Job that Satan was allowed to attend and speak at was nowhere man could go. He can do anything. However when the bible spells out that Satan and a third of the angels with him are sent to earth for a time, there is no extra...

It is the saved Jews in the end that we are talking about. Much of Israel gets killed in the end, but there are some left alive of whom all will be saved.

He still has access to the heavens. In the end is when he is finally and totally cast to earth with the demons who followed him.

Did I say anything remotely similar?