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  1. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Jesus pointed out no flesh would be saved if those days were not shortened. We seem to agree on that one. I disagree. The last and most sever part of the wrath is at the end of the Tr4ibulation, and when Jesus returns. That does not mean it is the only wrath. Looking at the seals and trumpets...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Show me the quote where you think I said that. There is a war mentioned, yes. I suspect that might be connected to the covenant mentioned. It doesn't really matter though. By the way it was not Dan 9:27 that mentioned a war. So who are the people of the prince in Dan 9:26? The power that was in...
  3. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. The time was shortened, not the prophesy that took that into account already. Nothing is on your side.
  4. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. He did not. There will be seven years allotted for the end. Of course the white horse rider will be on the scene as well. When he breaks the covenant in the middle of the seven years then he will not only be on the scene, but start the Great Tribulation. You can call it a tomato if you...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Rev 13 or any other chapter does not support erasing the last seven years of history given in prophesy to Daniel. The 42 months is in the midst of the week. It did not REPLACE the week!
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The Great Tribulation is the last part of the seven years. Three and a half years. That time is given in days and months also, and is not something God changes/shortens When He speaks it is so. Not at all, you just misapplied a verse about how that time was shortened. Yes it was shortened, and...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The rapture is before the days even start probably, at the start of the wrathful seven years. There is no way the days, or months are changed in any way. They are written in stone basically. When it says he will confirm a covenant for seven years that will be seven years. When the angel direct...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The seven years is what things were shortened to. Claing the given times of prophesy are changed is what is very false. The Great Tribulation is just the second half of the seven years. Why would half of seven years be longer...or shorter? It is what it is. Did you actually think that God...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    False. Christ said the days are shortened, but the seven years includes that. That is a shortened timeframe for earth as He rushes all things to completion! It is not the seven years that are cut short, but any time earth may have had that could have been longer. Don't blame your confusion on God.
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    I posted the verses before and after that one. Sorry if context is the enemy of your schemes. Why would anyone think that? Once it is here the clock is ticking and time is short. What whole time? You got one point right. Pour the bubbly. What atonement? Hopefully you are not talking about...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No one shortens the seven years. Period.
  12. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The end comes at the end of the seven years, which includes the Great Trib. The witnesses do not die at the start of it, they START! All before Jesus returns. Who invented that timing? By the way if any poster here is a JW, or mormon, please identify yourselves. Not sure why you feel free to...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. The covenant is made for seven years and only broken in the middle of that. There are seven years still, no one shortened what God said would be! What is shortened is included in that last time. Otherwise man would no longer exist and all flesh would die. The Great Tribulation is only the...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    I am not forcing anything. The events are very much time related. So one needs to know what is last and what is first, and what is in between as a starting point to comprehension. Let's look at one seal as an example. It is easy to see that it is not the Bride He was talking to here, let alone...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The witnesses prophesy for 1260 days then they are killed. That is the second half of the seven years. Claiming that the seventh trumpet will blow for years after they die is foolishness. Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms...
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    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    OK thanks, seems like you have the gist of things
  17. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    All you are doing is stating an opinion that the vials are not poured out at the end of the tribulation. Because we KNOW they are the completion of His wrath. Prove it. So what? So are the trumpets and vials! The seals showed the whole time that included trumpets and vials. No news there. Of...
  18. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    I see. That way you have nothing you need to explain or defend I guess.
  19. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    So your point is..?
  20. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    God clearly has the greatest wrath just before and after He comes. Obviously, the final wrath that ends man's rule here is the greatest. As pointed out, the vials were the completion of His wrath. Right, chapter 11 spans the tribulation that ends with Jesus returning and taking over. That does...
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