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No, that seems to be a mark of confusion and an excuse to leave left field and get lost in space.

Maybe a good way for you to conceptualize it, is to think of all those left alive in Israel at the end of the tribulation who finally accept Jesus as Christians. All Israel will be Christians! But those particular Christians have promises of a different kind to look forward to. They were...

Yes of course He is coming as a thief in the night. That does not mean He does not return in body. Not even related. Why pretend? You must know no one has any clue what you are talking about? What truth? What is you imagine we did not expect? His body actually was seen rising into heaven BY...

When God protects someone He does not need the puny firecracker weapons of man. No weapon formed against us shall prosper. God will assure that a remnant of Israel does get saved. No one can change that. All enemies will be flicked away like snots.

Your premise is invented. There will still be nations. Did you think all Israel would be 'rubble' when Jesus lands on the mount of Olives? Armageddon involves a lot more than 10 nations! Rev 16:12 clarifies that. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the...

It does start at a certain time. It is known also by the time God is here and has destroyed their enemies and etc etc. That was not any time before today. It is not today either. It has zero to do with some self propelled trickle of immigration to that land in history.

That seems right to me.

Right. Also it seems some of those folks actually toss the word 'anti Semite' around to those against their position.

OK, thanks. I think we would place your view as one that says God has not yet gathered up His people from all over to the land. (right?)

I agree that the rapture is very likely before the tribulation. That is pure speculation. You want to limit the interpretation or gates to modern weapons! After the tribulation when all Israel is saved then they will hope in God. That is what the time of Jacob's trial is about. Well, I hear...

The gathering will start after Jesus returns and gathers the saved Jews from all over the world. Try to distinguish 'gathering or gathered' with GOD gathering. When He gathers them it will be crystal clear and other things will also be happening such as God having wiped out all their enemies...

Sorry to deflate your balloon. Your posts were not even on topic that I recall, interesting, or cohesive. More gook than slam dunk

It also seems clear to me.

Chapter and verse? Says who? Prove that His spirit did nothing while the body was dead? Except you made that up. I do not recall the bible saying Jesus preached to angels? That seems to be your idea. That depends on the who is. It is not saved people! The Pharisees blabbed about God. They did...

Right and yet God is still so merciful as to provide a space of time and events that will allow the nation (those left alive in the end) to all be saved. What does that tell you about God? That is not what God says. He will never forsake them forever. He will gather them and love them forever...

When the world and universe are falling apart and the world shakes and the day is dark, and most people on earth were killed etc etc they would be wise to have a little fear of the Lord (and dead if they don't catch the drift) Of all the reasons people finally yield to God's Spirit and accept...

Irrelevant to the topic unless you show it is GOD bringing them back. As for your verses let's look at them. Jeremiah 16:14 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the Lord , that it shall no more be said, The Lord liveth, that brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt...

Of course, all those left alive after most of them have been killed in the time of trouble coming. That is what is called the remnant. The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. Some people learn lessons due to a sickness (like Job) or traumatic event (like Paul) or long term affliction...

I am not going to argue with that. The thread here is for people who claim God brought them back already, and that the dessert there is now blossoming like a rose etc to make a case.

I actually think of believers as the bride or church, rather than as Israel. So they will not be saved until they are saved. I think we get that. For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee Isa 54:7 He will return them to the land that He took from them...