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  1. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Wrong. The Rome that the final leader presides over is not thousands of years ago. 'Out from among them' is where the AC comes from. You are lost in a time quandary. The beast is in the end time, not lost in the past somewhere.
  2. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Pandemics and wars are covered by the bible. What is not covered is your claim it is a certain war that brings it all in. Then perhaps you can interpret what you said for us? "So, in order to force the nations to agree to a OWG; initially 10 regions, governed by 10 Presidents*, they know there...
  3. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The fourth beast is Rome. The first was Babylon. The second was Medo Persia. The third was Greece. Greece was divided into four by four generals (since Alexander had no heir) Now I think it jumps to the AntiChrist, who heads the final manifestation of the Roman empire. -- Daniel 7:8 I...
  4. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    After real emergencies, say a limited nuclear war, a severe food shortage, a genuine pandemic that kills say hundreds of millions of people or etc I suspect nations would be willing to cooperate. Dan mentions three kings that get overthrown, maybe they were holdouts!? Sometimes such a big thing...
  5. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Not sure I mentioned or care about how much time Satan will have. The issue is that there are seven years given in prophesy and that is the last years or man's rule on earth. Both the false prophet and beast are alive, obviously in that seven years and well before it. We are not told when the...
  6. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    What verse says that? If you are talking about Dan 7:8 it says this I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth...
  7. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Maybe not dead before the fire happens but on the way to it. We also might look into when Dan 7 is talking about. Would that be the great white throne judgment? 9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head...
  8. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Maybe we could say he was killed by the lake of fire or on the way to it? By the time he reaches the lake his body is dead. That means he was taken alive and cast in alive, but then his body was destroyed and he was killed as he went to the lake.
  9. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. You have no idea what being tossed into a lake of fire is like. That would destroy your body. It would also kill you. Bing and a bam and a boom. God was right all along.
  10. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. Power is given to him over all kindreds actually. Revelation is not where we get details of how. Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? So he is...
  11. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Why would we try to quote Matthew or Hosea or Genesis in another book? There are additional clues in prophesy found in different books. Daniel and Revelation speak of the final leader and we get details in both books. For example some of the wars in the end we find in Daniel. If this is not...
  12. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    We already know he overthrows 3 kings from Daniel. Not everything needs to be restated. The evil leader is killed and his body is destroyed as he is cast alive into the lake of fire. Their bodies are destroyed as they are cast alive into the lake of fire. Not sure why you strive to try and...
  13. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    We do not know all that the AC does. Does the AC overthrow 3 powers and later work with ten others? Do the countries that get overthrown still exist and simply get new regimes which then work with the world government? You are not qualified to say the final leader somewhere along the line does...
  14. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    The prophesy Jesus was referred to when Jesus spoke of the abomination of desolation. So we know that is bang on.Nowhere did Jesus say THAT time was shortened. The prophesy includes God knowing what the days were going to be shortened to. Says who? There are ten kings that are under the beast...
  15. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    I added nothing. The seven years are the time allotted. The mid point till the end is the 31/2 years. Nothing in the prophesy is changed or shortened or added to. There is an exact appointed time. The seven years are the last seven years of man's rule on earth. Also the time of Jacob's trouble...
  16. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    Did you think that meant that He did not know all this when He gave the years and months? The time shortened was time that could have been outside the prophesy. In other words, unless mankind was stopped they would kill themselves. So God tells us in prophesy that there is an end to man's time...
  17. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No idea how your math works. sorry. When God says seven years, that is exactly what it is.
  18. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    No. For the seven years or the last part of that seven years to be reduced in time would mean there was not seven years after all. There is. The full 3 1/2 years of Tribulation that starts in the middle is exactly as long as prophesied and not reduced. Period.
  19. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    That is not what the bible says. It starts the clock when the abomination of desolation is set up. Daniel 9:27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.' In the middle of the ‘seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that...
  20. dad

    Timing of Eze 37 and 38 pre Trib?

    False. The beast does not appear out of thin air one day. The beast is a man alive that will be revealed one day. That leader does not pop onto the planet the day he sets up the abomination of desolation in the holy place! For all we know he was in power long before that time. Once he blasphemes...