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Hi S4C, Your words: “What you (or I) may “think” doesn’t count for beans before the King. The issue as always, for the born again believer, is, What saith Scripture? We do know it doesn’t say “rapture.” You presently stand guilty before the King and his chosen (and no longer ignorantly!)...

Hi S4C, your words: "What do you think, God thinks about "common usage"? Answer: "That which is esteemed among men is abomination unto God." Considering much of the bible is written in terms and styles that were "common usage" of their day, I don't think He minds at all. Somehow I don't...

Hi Keras, Your scripture quote: "Our rewards are to be given to us by Christ at His return. And, behold, I come quickly, and MY REWARD IS WITH ME, to give every man according as his work shall be. Rev. 22:12 Our rewards and inheritance are reserved in heaven. They come down out of heaven with...

Hi RJP, Your words: "People believe it and for no other reason or justification than that people believe it. The idea is widely accepted because so many accept the idea. It is circular logic and has no real basis in scripture or logic or truth." If you're talking about a "pre-trib" rapture, I...

Hi Michael, I appreciate your post and regarding a pre-trib rapture you are correct concerning readiness. However, I would like to interject that it is possible to believe that the Body of Christ will be here to endure the great trib but still be raptured prior to the out-pouring of God's wrath...

Hi Keras, Your questions: "Here are the questions I asked in the 'harpazo' thread: Just consider: if you think you are good enough to be removed from the earth before any kind of testing and go to live with God himself, aren't you pre-judging yourself? Isn't that a sin? Shouldn't we be doing...

Why should the church endure the great tribulation? I believe I can answer this question through God's word. "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches." I think it's safe to assume that the whole bible is God's message to the church in one way or another via 2 Tim...

Hi Keras, I will answer your post with a re-posting of a study I did on the great trib. I know we disagree in many areas, but you asked.

Hi Keras, Your words: "Of course you must disagree with this, as it totally refutes your pre-trib 'rapture' belief, where you must have two entities; one the Church, taken away and the other, Israel left behind to face wrath. Pray that your 'eyes will be opened and your ears unstopped'." If you...

Hi N2, Your words: “Can't be any clearer......” I don’t know where you copied this from or if it is original with you but the author of this conglomeration of verses has played, “fast and loose” with many of them or he didn’t really understand what he was talking about as in many of them the...

Hi Keras, With the exception of your Rom. 8:18 verse, they are all prophecies for Israel. The church IS NOT Israel and in my opinion, our destination is far greater.

Hi S4C, You are applying principals to a word that are irrelevant to what the word “rapture” implies. Your words: “That’s not what this is all about. Looking back at the sum of the recent posts in these forums, no one has ‘denied the harpazo’ -- because this is not about “the harpazo.” Yes it...

Hi Boaz, Agreed, it's called the rapture

Hi Keras, Your words: "Trekson, I'm sorry but a 'rapture' out of this fallen world IS escapism." If you read the post thoroughly you would see that I believe the church will be here for the great trib and that the great trib is upon the church and not the world in general. They are reserved...

Why I believe in the Harpazo! (I really mean the rapture but I don’t want to ruffle any feathers :ph34r: ) Some people deny the harpazo simply because they deny many of the false doctrines that can accompany the word, but that’s like throwing the baby out with the bathwater. One can’t deny...

Hi S4C, Regarding your words: "When The Thief of Sardis (Jesus) states that those who do not repent and watch "will... not know what hour (he) will come upon thee" (Rev 3:3), he states that his coming will then be "as a thief." (Rev 3:3). Much later, in Revelation 16:15, Jesus says "Behold, I...

This verse hasn’t made sense to me for a long time. It just seemed out of place. It’s placement in the book of Rev. seemed illogical because I always assumed it was speaking of the rapture. I was discussing this with a post-tribber but it really doesn’t fit in with the post-trib scenario either...

To S4C & Mike, I'm going to respond to our conversation concerning the "R" word in a new post. It will take me a few days to write it up as things are a little hectic right now but I'll be looking forward to your comments.

Hi S4C, I think you're over-complicating the issue. You just can't "pretend away" the scriptures because you don't like the evidence they represent. Would you accept the evidence from scripture even if I presented it? Your words: "If you set out to study the “rapture” in the Scriptures (or...

Hi S4C, Your words: "The rapture doctrine requires students of the scriptures to approach each relevant verse with certain preconceived notions about prophecy. If you simply read the various prophetic verses about the return of Christ, the Bible clearly teaches that believers will be “gathered”...