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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    A touch of desperation there Brakelite. "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." (Psalm 82:6) They missed the mark and their calling, ultimately becoming hardened in unbelief. "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Isn't it an exaggeration, Brakelite, that you believe strengthens your argument, but in reality, it doesn't? So one (Jesus) who was held under the dominion of death like you, has been given life in himself! To this I agree:- Christ had "no life" until the Father gave it to him F2F
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    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    I'll rewrite this for you David but now with truth. God sent forth His Word to be born of a Woman (seed), as the Scripture (which cannot lie) Says = "Immanuel, God with us" God was not Christ but 'in" Christ F2F
  4. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    Thanks for making the distinction.
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    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen. F2F
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Something else to ponder @Brakelite The term "Son of Man" sparked no outrage among the Jews, not even from Christ's enemies! Clearly, they did not interpret it as a claim to be a supernatural being, let alone a claim to be God. Can you truly argue that this term, in particular, is surprisingly...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    ...And it was night
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Of course you will Matthew...
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    As do I. And that Word which was with God and was is His Logos which became Flesh. Now it's up to you and your Bible in hand to work out: What type of Flesh Why Flesh? What did God achieve in that Flesh? What was removed from that Flesh? How was that Flesh changed? Why couldn't Flesh be...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You made a foolish claim — that will always catch my attention. I strive not to show favoritism and have addressed others who made similar foolish claims in the same way. Perhaps next time, if you wish to present an argument for why you believe Jesus is God, feel free to do so! I welcome it...
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    All men are liars Matthew - Psalm 116:11 I would expect the same warning to come from you if you were absoltely confident in your "Jesus is God" belief. F2F
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You may downplay the significance of truth, but He who is to be feared will not. Alter His Word, and the consequences may not be apparent in this life, but they will most certainly be in the one to come. I hope you will get to see how the Lord deals with those who purposefully deceive and turn...
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    There is if it runs roughshod over the Word of God
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Every false doctrine related to theology began with that preposition "I". We are 113 pages into this discussion and the evidence is a tidal wave against your "I" Matt. You would do well to read all the 113 pages then return with "It is quoted" or "The writer here states.." or "Have you not...
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    And yet Jesus uses the title Son of Man 80 times and Son of God 5 times. Greatest evidence you say? Let me show you something Brakelite Son of Man is the title of Christ as judge John 5:27 (ESV) says: "And he (God) has given him (Jesus) authority to execute judgment, because he is the Son...
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It's the denial of the endowed Power which is more concerning Brakelite. It doesn't make sense to give power to an already powerful being. You cannot inherit a position or authority if it was already yours to begin with. You cannot receive an inheritance if it has always been in your...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Ultimately, Christ's campaigns to humble and bring the nations into subjection will culminate in the complete submission of all peoples. At that time (unknown), as Psalm 72:11 proclaims, "All kings shall bow down before him; all nations shall serve him." This will fulfill the prophecy in...
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    Hypostatic Dilemma - Do you have one?

    Trinitarianism asserts that Jesus was both fully God and fully man, commonly referred to as the "God-man." However, this teaching inherently requires Jesus to be both "God" and "not-God" simultaneously, unless one equates "man" with "God." Attempting to address this issue by appealing to the...
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @RedFan @CadyandZoe Its theological scaffolding which is the reason it has lasted so long! (It's also God's Will it does!) - The abuse of Genesis 1:26 - The abuse of John 1:1-4 - The Historical development via councils of men (Council of Nicaea (325 AD) and the Council of Chalcedon (451 AD))...
  20. face2face

    Did ANYONE In Scripture (Including Jesus), Claim Jesus IS God?

    When he returns I hope you will come to know he is the beginning of the Creation of God. The pièce de résistance! And when or if you ever discover that truth you will remember these conversations and know you missed it. F2F