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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Consider the implications if he wasn't? "For us" was added later for the same reasons you seem to be approaching the text. "Having obtained in himself eternal redemption." In Phil. 2:8 we have the idea more literally expressed -- "He became obedient unto death, even the death of the...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope. Romans 15:4 As I said, search, pray and...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Keep looking and searching the Scripture...you will find him if you are diligent! F2F
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The self deception is rife here!
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    When didn't he? Correct and while Jesus was in the flesh he could not also! who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen. 1 Tim 6:16 The irony is this – Jesus was unable to enter the Holy Place...
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It is interesting, isn't it, Pierac, that Unitarians have not been known for engaging in widespread violence against Trinitarians. While this in itself does not serve as proof against the doctrine of the Trinity, those who adhere to such views must also consider the actions of those who held...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Michael Servetus (1511–1553) was a Spanish physician, theologian, and humanist known for his unorthodox religious views, particularly his rejection of the doctrine of the Trinity. Servetus argued that the Trinity was not a biblical concept and that it was a misunderstanding of Christian...
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    That’s another point Johann has touched on. He believes that Jesus, as God, is the highest form of praise, but how mistaken is he? Jesus was made lower than the angels, yet He was given a name superior to theirs (Heb. 1:4). Is "far better" referring to God? Or does "far better" refer to the...
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You can't exalt him any higher than Yahweh His God and Father already has. The issue we have identified is from what was he exalted? Hence my questions! F2F
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Do you see, Johann? Each of those questions has a Biblical answer that will guide you to the truth. You just won't go there will you! F2F
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    How did he do this?
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are following a different gospel—1:7 not that there really is another gospel, but there are some who are disturbing you and wanting to distort the gospel of Christ. 1:8 But even if we (or an...
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    By which covenant did God raise Jesus, and how was that covenant ratified? Why Jesus' blood? What did the blood achieve? What did that offering do for Christ? How did he benefit? Remember, I've asked you to engage with the Word thoughtfully and ask insightful questions, rather than just...
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann @Wrangler @APAK because of the Shepherd, the Rock of Israel Ge 49:24. Cont...Joseph This merging of spirit and flesh was necessary for the work Christ was to undertake. As Son of Man, he identified himself with the limitations and infirmities of the flesh (fully) ; as Son of God...
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You have just deleted most of Hebrews and Romans with one sentence
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Then it seems you must not understand the stem of Jesse! That’s hard to believe! That's reassuring to hear.
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It was the entire point of his birth to a woman! She had to be of the sinful line of Adam else how can he be the second Adam F2F
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    How are you going with this Brakelite? Did your Lord go through the same process of Salvation as you or not? Firstfruits or not? Firstborn or not? F2F
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Take a break, we’re only halfway through! Out of curiosity, how have you found the discussion? It’s been intense at times, but I believe the Unitarians are currently well ahead in the conversation. F2F
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The work you posted on this section, yes. I'm not sure if you read your own post? [Jesus was (is) that “beautiful and glorious branch,” which was in due time to spring from the stem of Jesse [Note: Isa_4:2; Isa_11:1.], the fruit whereof was to fill the whole earth [Note: Isa_27:6.]. It was...