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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    "And the arms of his hands were made strong" Continuning the prophetical import did you notice @Wrangler & @APAK @MatthewG @Johann The word "strong" in this context is pazaz, meaning "to spring" or "to be active." soome translate "the arms of his hands were made strong and active." This...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Tell me Johann, how is it you can post this about Joseph and not see the true Christ? It is a remarkable prophecy Johann! of the spreading influence of Christ, typically expressed in the sons of Joseph. His two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh, developed into two tribes, in contrast to the single...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    We have been here before have we not? "whose branches run over the wall" What if you were told the in this line of poetry, "branches" is in the feminine gender, banoth, or daughters. The figure is that of a vine so prolific, that its branches (or daughters) spread over the wall and beyond...
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Don’t be deceived, it’s clear in Matthew. Keep studying the Bible, and always ask as many questions as you can. A good question is (often) more valuable than a good answer, because a good answer often ends the conversation, while a good question can lead to more insightful inquiries. I'll...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Good starting point Matthew...take you a long way!
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    If he is patient he will get a Bigger God and a more sure foundation! F2F
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    And nor does truth
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Do you know how that comes across? That's right! It doesnt matter to you...
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Matthew, Matthew 24:36 "But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only." Maybe you would like to define one? Also, if you believe Jesus was Divine in Nature, became a Mortal to die and become Divine again - you missed the...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[a] and the head of Christ is God 1 Corinthians 11:3 The Apostle Paul must have made a number of mistakes in 1 Corinthians. Someone forgot to explain the Trinity to him and he totally left out the...
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Everything I have presented is thoroughly supported by Holy Scripture and is not influenced by man-made creeds. You also know this to be true. F2F
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    We should never muzzle the ox which treads the corn!
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @ProDeo @LatterRain @Wrangler @APAK Isaiah 9:6 – "Us" refers to Judah. "For unto us a child is born, to us a son is given" points to Christ (Matt. 22:41-46). A son cannot be co-eternal or co-equal with God (John 3:16; John 14:28; 2 Tim 2:5). "Wonderful" means "wonder, marvel, a miracle, hard...
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Correct, "Son of Man" is a title Jesus gave Himself, signifying that He fully represents humanity in every way. Having overcome sin's flesh, He is now able to judge mankind perfectly. NOT MY WORDS! John 5:27 (ESV) says: "And he has given him (by God) authority to execute judgment, because he...
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Cont Isaiah 9:6... The new world government will rest upon the shoulders of the Son of God, and he will rule from the throne of King David – as stated in Isaiah 9:6-7, Matthew 28:18, Luke 1:32, and 1 Corinthians 15:24-25. He's a promised Son peeps! How can Jesus be a promised Son, if he...
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The scrutiny is justified because you claim many things, but when asked to substantiate them, you cannot. You eventually run out of material to present and resort to childish remarks. I presented at least nine verses that prove Jesus required redemption, yet you rejected every one of them. When...
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    These are titles, LatterRain. Do you understand what a title is? God has many, and so does the Master. It’s fascinating how easily people can be deceived! Let me show you the extent of your exegesis. Revelation 3:12 (ESV) says: "The one who conquers, I will make him a pillar in the temple of...
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Isaiah states that he "shall be called" (i.e. in the Kingdom Age, vs. 7) Have you noticed how many times in our discussions you and Johann never read the context or even the verse clearly enough to form truth. It’s not that he is now "The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father." While the work of...
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Brakelite you would do well to read all the verses I provided and watch Johann explain away everyone of them. In the end he requested I show him a verse which showed him Jesus required redeeming. I did! Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Brakelite, we have already thoroughly established that Jesus required redemption from death (not his sin!). The Trinitarians were in disarray that evening and have yet to recover. Johann placed me on ignore because he blew a valve! Johann couldn't explain the eternal covenant in Jesus' blood...