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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    More than okay, Marks! I've been shown a pearl of great price. I don't need to rely on "mysteries", or things that cannot be known. That has been the main issue in this discussion. When the arguments have sought knowledge and truth, the responses have been, "this is supernatural," "unknown," or...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I know how I can be at times, Marks, and much of what you've said is true. We both have our weaknesses, don’t we? Unless, of course, you have none—if that's the case, I could learn from that. That said, the content of my studies in the Word of God is well-proven and established by God as truth...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    True is that! He also emptied himself of the privilege's of being the Son of God (though he was!)...but why? His calling was to be the Son of Man first, enduring all the sufferings and pains of the flesh. In embracing the role of a servant, Christ remained focused and undistracted by the...
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I've had many encounters with you, Marks, and I don't think you're necessarily sensitive, but rather more non-confrontational. My natural brother is a gentle man who avoids confrontation, yet he still stands firm in his beliefs and defends himself when necessary. Where I see your issue is in...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Of firstborn privilege's yes! True enough!
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Wrangler. The problem with these discussions is that the two paradigms are fundamentally incompatible and cannot go "deeper" due to their contradictions. For example, exploring Christ's humanity is impossible with a Trinitarian who adheres to the false teaching of dualism. If serious Bible...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This is how the doctrine of the Trinity came to be—people, while lying in bed, imagining things that are not true. Look, Pro, this kind of activity has been happening for millennia. It happened at the time of Lamech who thought to himself I'll take two wives...it happened during the time of the...
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This you definition, not mine. I believe God singular is the Godhead and that He works through a plurality of agents as one. F2F
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Sorry Guestman The Rock symbolised the Lord Jesus and the Angel of the Lord was not Jesus! Moses' act of striking the first rock in Exodus 17:5 symbolized Christ's flesh, which would be crucified. However, the second rock, which Moses was instructed to speak to, symbolized Christ’s...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    He is many things J...but this has been on my mind of late.... "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star". The reference is to Venus, the brightest of the stars, which often appears as...
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Why not just say Jesus the Messiah?
  12. face2face

    Old members: Where are they now?

    Actually a notable mention to @Episkopos who has been an active member for many years now. I can see his contribution has been consistent. Well done!
  13. face2face

    Old members: Where are they now?

    @Foreigner @WhiteKnuckle @Duckybill (this guy would annoy the life out of me but it's still important to let them know they are missed!) It's possible some of our older members could have passed on and we wouldn't know, rather sad really.
  14. face2face

    Old members: Where are they now?

    @aspen - do you recall @Episkopos? Had some amazing chats with Aspen! @veteran @Robbie (this guy took underwater photography - really nice believer)! @martinlawrencescott @justaname
  15. face2face

    Old members: Where are they now?

    I've been a member of this forum for nearly 15 years. Recently, I revisited old posts to check on where some of the members, who used to be active daily, are today. I'm going to list some of the members I remember being active participants. While I may not have always agreed with them, they...
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Not even close Johann!
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Keep scratching! Some fervent Trinitarians can become defensive when confronted with overwhelming evidence that challenges their beliefs, as you are displaying. They resort to tactics (silly games) that they believe give them an advantage in debates. These strategies are often seen as attempts...
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Dan Clarkston and @Johann because he liked it, and needs to learn how to read the Bible contextually. I'm surprised you didn't quote 1 John 5:20 as well...maybe it hasn't found its way into you verses to twist! Starting in verse 1 John 5:2, we read... For this is the love of God.... Then...
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Keep scratching Dan!...if the scratch is sincere and the searching diligent you will find Him. F2F
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    (head shake) 1 John 5:7 again