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When I was saved it was in a free-will theology Baptist church. At the time the idea God could have chosen the elect was heresy in my eyes. It did not make sense to me how God could choose a man and that man still have free choice. I later held a Calvinistic view. What I saw as error in...

I know, David. For most of my life and ministry I did see Penal Substitution Theory in those passages. So I understand why and what you see. Now I see something else.

What passages do you believe I should consider?

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God; it is not from works, so that no one can boast. For we are his workmanship, having been created in Christ Jesus for good works that God prepared beforehand so we may do them.

I just realized that I "know you", @David Taylor - at least I know some of your and your wife's, Courtney, friends (your pic just popped up as a feed),... if not then nevermind. If so then that is some coincidence (we have several friends in common).

Sorry @David Taylor , I know you are just repeating what the guys you follow have taught you. I also know that you are unable to challenge my view on any point (which is unfortunate). I know that you cannot provide even one verse that I reject (although I do reject your interpretations of and...

So you say. Are you man (or woman) enough to question what I actually believe or are you content to hide behind vague accusations? What I believe (both the passages and my interpretation) is in the OP. You just pop in and insult me, imply I am wrong, but do not explain what part of my belief...

I believe that Scripture is complete. I believe that Scripture is the Word of God. Where we may disagree is that I do not believe in continued special divine revelation. I believe in what is written, not what people believe may be implied. I believe that all doctrine must be tested in...

Matthew 25:31-46 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. All the nations will be assembled before him, and he will separate people one from another like a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will put the sheep on...

Rather than play the fool just point out your disagreement with my stated view (I know... All of it) and we can discuss it. You believe the OP is false doctrine (@Steve Owen believes it all Scripture for some reason.... And does not like that my belief contains so much Scripture)

Look again. While my view is certainly dependent on Scripture it is also my explanation of Sripture (what I believe those passages mean) . If it is not enough theory for you and @Enoch111 then you have both my apology and a demonstration of where we disagree. What part of my view do you not...

Perhaps this is why Scripture condemns judging the servant of Another.

I think it is best to simply know the Holy Spirit is "the Spirit of God."

Punishment is imposing a penalty in retribution for an offensive. A penalty is something suffered (it comes from a word meaning "pain"). It can be the result of a punishment but it can also simply be a consequence of an action (not necessarily imposed). @David Taylor is changing the actual...

I certainly hope he would have thought both of us are inconsistent.

Thanks. Had Wesley offered a view that includes Penal Substitution Theory without being inconsistent then I could have seen your point. I think his actual view of how Penal Substitution Theory pays our debt differs from the Calvinist view (so perhaps saying he was inconsistent is pushing it a...

@David Taylor has been arguing for a long time that the Trinity is not really stated in Scripture but is taught by Scripture. This is how he has tried to support "implied truth" as Scripture itself.

As an exam of poor hermeneutics: @David Taylor changes "wages" to "penalty" (which I think is fair) and says the "penalty" of sin is death. But then takes it farther and changes "penalty" to "punishment". This is called eisegesis. A punishment accesses a penalty but only in the retributive...

You have repeated claimed that denying Jesus' divinity was not denying what was explicitly stated in the text of Scripture but denying what Scripture teaches. I have repeatedly called this claim ignorant and a product of biblical illiteracy. If someone denies the Word was with God and was God...

What I am saying is that I do not hold the same views as you hold in terms of interpretation methods, the place of the Biblical text, priority of doctrine (based on biblical evidence), and religious philosophy. That is a statement of fact, not an insult. This is the opposite of a superiority...