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  1. Hillsage

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    Unquenchable fire simply means you can't put it out until it finishes burning up what needs to be destroyed. JUD 1:7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise acted immorally and indulged in unnatural lust, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal...
  2. Hillsage

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    You never hear the bible thumpers talk about the lying pen of the modern scribes. If only they knew about the "love of money" and how there are a lot of FALSE PROFITS in the bible translation BUSINESS.
  3. Hillsage

    The changing perception of hell. - How do you define it?

    The URL below lists how many times the word HELL is in many translations. The translation with the most HELL in it is the KJV with 54, NKJV is second with 31 times. Most poorly translated newer versions have the word HELL in them 11-13 times. 20 bibles are listed that don't have the word...
  4. Hillsage

    Who ARE "the prophets" in Ephesians 2:20?

    IMO "the Spirit" all 4 times above is talking about the born again spirit of Christ in us. I think the only time the Spirit of God is referred to is the "HE" in verse 27. The Spirit of God doesn't have to intercede to us for God, because HE...the Spirit of God...IS GOD. The KJV, RSV, NIV all...
  5. Hillsage

    Did God the Father or Jesus create angels

    Yes yes yes, Very pagan stuff you've posted. Want to know why? 2CO 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their...
  6. Hillsage

    Can a Believer Loose Their Salvation?

    My answer is NO! and YES! :r.u.n: NO!. You can't LOOSE a salvation you could never be good enough to EARN in the first place. And you can't MAINTAIN a salvation that you could never OBTAIN to begin with. And that (first) salvation is the salvation of your spirit being justified. That is...
  7. Hillsage

    The Limited Aspect of Christian Love - "I love you, but I don't like you."

    If "God had led this man to a liberal church" then I think the plan of God for this man would have turned out just like God intended. :hmhehm He did comply, but he was mightily blessed with supernatural manifestations, which sure helped in 'that department'.
  8. Hillsage

    The Limited Aspect of Christian Love - "I love you, but I don't like you."

    It was a great story. One caveat with scripture though. We live in a Mennonite community and they regularly practice 'churching' or 'shunning' some brethren. They do so saying it is because some sins are dealt with "outside the camp" as in the days of Moses. It is the same 1Cor 5 scripture...
  9. Hillsage

    The Limited Aspect of Christian Love - "I love you, but I don't like you."

    That is a good first question. But one I really can't say I know, for sure. His mom and dad are. I agree with your Corinthian verse, that's not one brought up very much. Our Methodist church just went through one and the split was devastating. It was the biggest church building in our town...
  10. Hillsage

    The Limited Aspect of Christian Love - "I love you, but I don't like you."

    Part 4: We went home and I immediately shared this same decision with my younger brother who was a church elder for 20 years. I also shared it with a younger man I have coffee with every week. And I also shared on the phone with two strong Christian mothers. And I watched the 2 faces when I hit...
  11. Hillsage

    The Limited Aspect of Christian Love - "I love you, but I don't like you."

    There's a part 4. But I thought I'd wait a little longer, just to see if anyone else comments before posting it. What do you think? I know you're going to love it. :My2c:
  12. Hillsage

    Did God the Father or Jesus create angels

    No more confused than I would be thinking you had three heads just because you are a triune being. 1TH 5:23 May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. I've posted it twice I think...
  13. Hillsage

    Did God the Father or Jesus create angels

    No, I don't believe "the Word is Jehovah". You are correct ""The Word" is a title", just like "The Father" and "The Holy Spirit" are titles. And you deflecting to the above statement, still never answered my original comment; quote: "I thought the PRE-INCARMATE Jesus was the WORD. So are you...
  14. Hillsage

    Did God the Father or Jesus create angels

    Yes, JESUS was alpha and omega....not the WORD. Jesus was the 'firstborn'....not the WORD. And Jesus was born with the 'spirit of Christ in his 'Word became flesh' body. And yes, he was "a new creation", because Jesus represented the LAST ADAM as opposed to ALL, who are born into the world of...
  15. Hillsage

    The Limited Aspect of Christian Love - "I love you, but I don't like you."

    I'm sure that we've seen the gamut just as you have concerning this issue. The church has justified hatred many times in its history. I'll just post part 1 and 2 for any newcomers. Or just a reminder, because this was a while back. Part 1: We have had this family reunion at Branson/Silver...
  16. Hillsage

    Did God the Father or Jesus create angels

    I thought the PRE-INCARMATE Jesus was the WORD. So are you saying GOD made the WORD? That's a problem. As for God's first creation...we aren't talking about the first Adam who wasn't 'born'. We are talking about the "last Adam" born with a quickening spirit in him....the spirit of Christ...
  17. Hillsage

    How many times did the apostles receive the Holy Spirit

    Do you have anything to support your 'opinion' above? I admittedly got stuck on studying this verse a week ago. I do know that the word "DAY" is not in the Greek following the word "third" in verse 32 and also in verse 33. For whatever that's worth. LUK 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye...
  18. Hillsage

    How many times did the apostles receive the Holy Spirit

    Did your "chase" include studying the Greek word "lambano" which gets translated as "receive" in John? If not, it's pretty worthwhile IMO. That's the Greek word that's always used when receiving the baptism 'gift of power' from the Holy Spirit, the 'giver of the gift'. And "lambano" carries...
  19. Hillsage

    Did God the Father or Jesus create angels

    Just an opinion here; Rev 3:14 "In the beginning of the creation of God"... wasn't 'the Christ'. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the WORD"....and the pre-incarnate :14 "WORD became FLESH" (a body). The Holy Spirit birthed the 'spirit of Christ' into that body of flesh. That's when the...
  20. Hillsage

    How many times did the apostles receive the Holy Spirit

    Have you ever considered the possibility that the John verse was prophetic? My studies have led me to believe it was pointing to the day of Pentecost.