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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann As we've seen in this thread, many Trinitarians are divided on the issue of whether Jesus was capable of sin. ‘What was achieved, and how? What was it about Jesus that made him a perfect sacrifice for our sins? Did he need to be God in order to save us? If so, why? Above all, what...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Yes, he was soundly defeated in the debate by a Unitarian – I remember following the debate with great interest at the time. F2F
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    A position he had not occupied before! You expect people to believe that God appointed Himself with power through the resurrection of someone who was not dead? F2F
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Several years ago, there was a debate with Rob Bowman on the topic of the Trinity, and I remember it didn't go well with him. I wonder if he still holds to the Trinity or has he changed his position. Must look into that. F2F
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Romans reveals when the "Life" was granted by God to the Son and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power by his resurrection from the dead: Romans 1:4 From mortality to immortality. F2F
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This is why there is a consistent tension between those who reference Platonic-influenced commentaries and those who interpret the Old Testament writings contextually, as demonstrated by the New Testament writers. One side is comparing Scripture with Scripture to form an understanding while the...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    For Trinitarians to use Philippians 2 to impose their dogma is to distort Paul's message into something false. The context and lessons are abundantly clear and to assume Paul was teaching Nicenian creed is a travesty against the Apostles and even God Himself. @Johann you have no credibility...
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I enjoy reading contextual studies of the Word. @Johann Son to Servant speaks to a Son with lowliness of mind! Love how it speaks to Paul (Christ to the Gentiles!) F2F
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @RedFan Why would God desire a victory (obedience) in your nature? What is it about God Himself that He sees as significant? This reference might help: "Whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God’s righteousness, because in his divine...
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Wrangler @ProDeo @APAK @David in NJ @RedFan See how Johann uses the word identification? It's not Paul's "every respect" or is it in the likeness of sin's flesh BUT its a word which allows Johann's Christ to be distant enough from it sufficient for him to identify. Not fully man as Paul...
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Nice Red! and well done for providing a verse in context. In what way did Christ offer for himself? Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him (God) that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared...
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann I'm still waiting for you to present a verse that teaches Christ had a Divine nature while being tempted in the flesh. You will either ignore this or eventually admit you cannot provide one! F2F
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You repeatedly misquote Scripture, and when it’s shown to you clearly that Christ was taken from among men, you deny that truth. Why? To uphold the ideas of men from 1700 years ago? Your buckshot approach is obvious to all, Johann! F2F
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @Johann #786 will be a hard one to prove, yes? You know for every single verse you try to force Divinity I can provide you 10 verses that teach Christ had your exact nature. The ground from underneath must feel like its giving way. F2F
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Everything that exists begins as a concept in the Mind of God which includes the Word which became Flesh! F2F
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Show me what verse states Jesus had divine nature! Don't shrink back Johann! What verse clearly speaks to Christ having Divine Nature before His Resurrection! F2F