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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It demonstrates your belief that Christ shared our nature in every respect; otherwise, God would be showing that sin is impossible to overcome, which would leave you with a false example in Christ. Further to this...you can't have God who finds sin repugnant, dwelling in sins flesh. You who...
  2. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The verse speaks to the agonizing pain of resisting temptation daily, not to any physical harm done to Him. As you should know, He was protected until the time came when He was no longer protected. He rejected the shame due to him not having any personal sin of his own, although he felt the...
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @APAK @Wrangler Another issue theologians come across when debating the Trinity is they argue that the Trinity is 'implicit' in the New Testament and was 'implicitly understood' in the 1st century AD. Any and all attempts to prove this have failed everytime! They mention that evidence for...
  4. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    He genuinely understands our pain and sympathises with our temptations because he was truly human, and experienced the very sufferings we endure—and more! If he was never truly one of us, he cannot understand us in the way Scripture describes and could not have died for our sins. To believe in...
  5. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Jesus represented us in everyway - if he is God he could not be a High Priest taken from among men! How could God condemn sin in the nature of Christ if it was not there to condemn? So the question you cannot answer is this: How was sin represented in the Lord Jesus Christ if as you say he had...
  6. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The state of being blind while confessing a confidence in Christ looks terrible from where I'm sitting. Its a debarcle for those holding tightly to the dogma. F2F
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Don't worry David, for you he didn't - life and temptation was a breeze!
  8. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    But you are so wrong!
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    So you God dwelt in Sin's Flesh and was held under the dominion of death? Looks like you're coming around! F2F
  10. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Here is what happens next. You have those Trinitarians who cannot accept that Christ was tempted in the flesh for no reason, and then there are the die-hard, orthodox, right-wing Trinitarians who refuse to accept that Christ could have sinned. This division is important in this discussion...
  11. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    The idea that a virgin birth somehow changed the nature of Christ is laughable @ProDeo The accounts of Mary’s pregnancy in Matthew and Luke, Jesus’ humble birth, his childhood, and his human experiences—such as being hungry (Matt 4:2), weary (John 4:6), thirsty (John 19:28), bleeding, and...
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Wow, logic prevails! Johann doesn't respond well to logic, and a Christ who resembles sins flesh, Johann finds repugnant in every way. As soon as he encounters this truth, his Triune god vanishes! F2F
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Likeness is used as sameness which is why Hebrews 2 makes it very clear 17 For this reason he had to be made like them,[a] fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people...
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    I would think the number of T brain cells in this forum maybe combined could see this... Correct.
  15. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You blamed it all on satan!
  16. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    What is Paul doing with the word sin here which speaks to Christ being raised up out of sin's flesh? "he was made sin for us" In what way was Christ made sin. F2F
  17. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This is an admission that Christ in the flesh was of no importance at all. Interesting F2F
  18. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Was your God the sin offering Johann? What made Christ a suitable sin offering? If the blood of bull and goats did not cut it, what would? F2F
  19. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    @David in NJ @Johann @Wrangler @APAK @ProDeo @Lizbeth @RLT63 "For we do not have a High Priest who cannot be touched with the feelings of our infirmities, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin" Heb 4:15 What was the point of Christ being tempted in the flesh if it was...
  20. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    David - how did God condemn sin in the death of Christ? What does Paul say! 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he (God) condemned sin in the flesh. Where did...