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Here's one we sometimes use as well: Job 19:21b And I have escaped only by the skin of my teeth. (I think literally "with the skin of my teeth").

I think it is both (the passage you provide also commits this ministry to us - which I believe points to this kingdom Christ referenced so often).

I do not know that "satisfied" was the best word. The way I see it Gid is just and the justified of sinners so one of two things needed to be addressed - judgment needed to be rendered or the sinner needed to be changed. The law seemed to indicate man needed to be justly condemned. But...

Actually, I am reserving my brain cells to learn and grow in my understanding of God. That is important to me. Arguing whether my calculation of Joseph's age when his brothers came to Egypt is not a top priority for me (I am glad it is important to others and will consider their ideas as well)...

I guess the difference is I am not relying on either of the reasoning I have offered. It is not because I have read that bar means "builder" that I believe it. The reason I believe it us that the language is used similarly in the Greek and I have studied Greek at the graduate level. So I...

On a different topic (just thinking about what I wrote), @Jay Ross , the Hebrew use of "son" here also has implications regarding the title "Son of man". Jesus is the "firstborn" and is the "Builder" of the "family name" in terms of the human family.

VERY good point. One of the most important steps in studying Scripture is to examine the differences between "us and them". You are correct that he makes the error of reading into Scripture his own worldview. It is very easy to do.

David Mitchell has observed that some basic and important Hebrew terms are transliterated rather than translated: ben (son, descendant) being one of them. My observation here is dependent on some of his comments regarding the use of the word. The idea is that the word "son" (בֵּן‎, ben) in...

I believe it is always good to question one another's skills. We have to look at the reasons for our conclusions and then decide for ourselves which one is most appropriate. For the age question I never took the time to conduct a time-line. That said, you have me interested because if we...

The problem with using "implied in" Scripture as if it were actually stated is that it is subjective. Apostolic succession can be said to be implied (very clearly, in fact) in Scripture as can the opposing view. Jehovah Witness doctrines can be seen as being "implied" in Scripture. So can...

You never really started. We could never agree on what constitutes Scripture (I believe it is "what is written" rather than what people may feel is implied). Debate necessities a common set of principles. You have stated your opinions quite often and told us what you feel God meant when He...

Apply that standard to Scripture and you will be on a more correct path.

I do not believe the idea we cannot speak with God is true or that it is a reason to rely on what we believe God may have wanted to imply as if it is what He did communicate in the actual biblical text. I believe God meant to communicate what He communicated in what is written (I believe God is...

I am (obviously) not trolling as I started this thread. I did not think you were participating as a troll. The point is you object to your exact method of biblical interpretation as being a logical fallacy when applied to your own words. Why less a standard when dealing with Scripture?

David, I am going to use this as an illustration because it demonstrates what I have been unsuccessfully trying to communicate. I do not mean it as arguing against the comment itself or to be insulting in any way. It is an illustration. This is not true. By your own standard you did say that...

Hey.... My alternate time line has Joseph at 54. That's closer. This view considers the Hebrew that Joseph was a son of 30 years to refer to the specific time when he was 17 and forward (thus 17 years older than 39). But I favor the view that Joseph was literally 30 years old when he stood...

I get 39 (I think as the most popular view working off Jacob's age). It would be 54 if Joseph was born to Jacob at 74 instead of 91. It seems 39 and 54 are the best choices as the Hebrew language is not our language.

No. It is not a self contradiction. Yes. I am saying that justice is satisfied without Penal Substitution Theory being anything remotely close to the truth as the Theory stands in stark dichotomy to how justice was satisfied. There are at least two views here. I know you affirm Penal...

I never said that justice was not satisfied. God is just and Christ delivers us from the wrath to come. That said, it does not ignore the fact that only those who obey the gospel are saved. As stated, it is the act of God to create a kingdom people. Not all will enter the kingdom. It does...

I do not understand why you think it appropriate to adopt such a mode of conversation . For one, I do not believe patronizing either of us would work to your favor. And no true method of studying Scripture is without prayer full analysis of the text. We cannot just read commentaries and choose...