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  1. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    If you cannot under the Lord as being the Son of Man how can you understand him as the Son of God?
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, Gal 4:4 Important for so many reasons none of which you would acknowledge as being true F2F
  3. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Also this is not an uncommon occurrence in the Scripture @RedFan Jeremiah said “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” Jer 1:5. This does not mean Jeremiah pre-existed only that like Christ he was in...
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    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    So this relates to their Messiah, right?...not the OT believers The OT contains those Elect Jews who are saved What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, Ro 11:7. Does this change your approach? F2F
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    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    Well done on answering Scott! I'll come back to this thank you
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    You infer what it says - be honest Red! The context is clear enough to show that Christ is not "Very God." His power and authority are derived, not inherent: "As you have given him {Christ} authority over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as you have given him." (John...
  7. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    What's interesting about this fact is so few T believers have every read the account in the reality of this light! It's understandable to have push back F2F
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    That's the tension in the record - you can't perceive this? Paul captures that perfectly here: In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications, with loud cries and tears, to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverence. Heb 5:7 You...
  9. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    John 17 is among many of the records which show Christ's yearning to be with His Father - if you can't see that maybe you should take another look! “Glorify thy son” – God had already answered him! Father, glorify your name.” Then a voice came from heaven: “I have glorified it, and I will...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Have you ever noticed the distinction in the Lords words? “Unto my Father” Not “our Father”! We are adopted sons Rom 8:15! AND “Unto my God” - And he (God) put all things under his (Jesus) feet and gave him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is his body, the fullness of...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    Study the Word without the dogma and you will see the beauty of Christ's prayer in John 17 and how he longed to see his Father for the first time. It's all there is you care to look F2F
  12. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    It's commonly understood the likeness comes from the Elohim (angels) who as you know they always present as men in appearance. F2F
  13. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This is where I find the whole Trinitarian debate is quite off-putting, as it tends to confuse the persons of God and Jesus, while attempting to create a notion of another god (HS) altogether. F2F
  14. face2face

    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    When the Lord ascended Heaven for the first time not having seen His Father before what did he see sitting on the Throne? Was it a Father he could embrace? My mind boggles at the thought to their first meeting! Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father...
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    Exploring Trinitarian Logic

    This is an interesting topic. Does God use human terms like "hands, finger, bosom" to help us relate to Him more personally? He is Spirit and dwells in light unapproachable but does he have form? F2F
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    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    Alright, 19 views and yet no one is willing to tackle that question. I’m sure some started typing a reply, only to realize the answer was too polarizing and deleted it, or they didn’t want to give too much ground and decided to erase it instead. I'm reminded of Jesus' question to his opponents...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    So what are we seeing here? a couple of references in John, Col 1 and Phil 2 And what if T believers are ones attributing these things? Having the correct understanding of those passages is not that difficult if you read them in context...you will need the OT though! F2F
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    Questions, Answers, and Everything In Between: Exploring God

    The purpose of this thread is to ask questions, seek answers, and engage in discussions about God, His plan, and everything in between. My first question to start the conversation is this: Did Jesus himself confirm that the OT Jews fully understood God's identity and had salvific knowledge of...
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    How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

    That's an odd response RLT as the echo is super clear! For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 He will be great and will be...