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Indeed, 1 Corinthians 15:23 is a verse not commonly or fully understood by most. Both of our translations say it slightly different. But the original language refers to "each" as each one person. The order of which--sorry, I could have also referred to: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17--but that...

You are still framing what you believe within what you have believed. But I have not been stating what I believe. The things that I bring to the table were given to me by God and are relevant to my part in the finish foretold by John the apostle. For example: There is no "intermediate state" by...

You say, "And then..." as future only, as if nothing was finished, no young members of the body ever matured, finished the race, or endured to the end. Do you see how much of scripture I have referred to in that one-sentence summary? And what of the thief on the cross--did he just have to wait...

The scriptures walk a fine line that can rightly appear to be saying one thing and not another. But in this case the passages that you gave (and others) speak of specifically of "the house of Israel", and also of the remnant bloodline which is no longer of the house of Israel but has been cast...

He made some errors: The "Church" as most define the Church as not being Israel, but only Christians following Christ after His first advent, is incorrect. For He "has made both one" (Ephesians 2:14). Meaning that the Bride of Christ is the chosen of Israel, and also the Church, even beginning...

It seems you have missed my point. I was not referring to Jesus being born again, but to those of the Church who are joined to Him and become One in the born again process of the person, "but, each one in his own order"--which began at Pentecost. The two becoming One constitutes marriage...

This has not been conversation.

Then it is worse for you, for you should know better than to think that I am speaking my "beliefs." What is actually true...is that you have never liked hearing that you yourself could be wrong. So typical. But you notice that I again included you just in case.

That's good...I mean, the connection to the wedding and the Church as the Bride of Christs is great! That means you have in effect corrected me regarding my statement in post #6, saying, "The point being, both are unknown, but both do not necessarily occur at the same time." I had already said...

Well, your way of asking is part of the confusion. This issue speaks of two different bodies. So saying "our inner sin nature" is a misrepresentation of what is actually true. Our sin nature before salvation resides within and without--through and through. It is only when we are born again of...

Tit for tatting scripture quotes will get you nowhere good. Paul did not contradict himself, you did. Paul rightly divided, you have not. He spoke of two different bodies, you have not. Meanwhile, "we who are alive and remain" a spiritual body within a flesh body, struggle as he also struggled.

You have made a good presentation, but what is missing is that those born again of the spirit of God do not have a sin nature, but they do still have a body of sin--two different bodies. It is true that the newborn spiritual body does not have a sin nature, but the old natural body still does...

That particular generation was one in particular, one that represents the transition that occurs in the salvation of all who are saved. That verse is God saying: "Behold, before they spring forth I show you of them." That series of passages is to be taken as a revelation--as a foreshadowing of...

The end of the times of the gentiles (the Church). What 3rd issue are you referring to?

I am not going to list. Before Pentecost (Acts 2) the Spirit of God came upon those whom He chose to reveal and fulfill all things in the fulness of time according to His purpose. Then at Pentecost He began to pour out His spirit upon all flesh, which continues even to this day. That is to...

Yes, although I wasn't just referring to myself, but to all (as was the case also with Paul). Meaning: I concur with what he also said regarding the struggle or war that occurs within this body of flesh even after receiving the Holy Spirit.

Yes, this is where the phrase Paul used to describe the timing of all coming into Christ would occur, saying "but, each one in his own order", takes on its full meaning.

The point is Jesus said no one would know when both issues (His return and the end of the age) would come, but He did not say they would happen at the same time.

No, not exactly. I was framing the idea that it is not good for us to assume that the day and hour of the coming of the Son of Man and the end of the age happen at the same time. Such an assumption would not be child-like faith. The point being, both are unknown, but both do not necessarily...

Paul explained the struggle of both at war within. That is the struggle of which I also give witness.