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  1. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Yes the wrath of God for the price of sin was satisfied on Jesus but that is not the wrath of God on unbelievers in Revelation. Jesus paid the price so we wouldn’t have to for sin but that has nothing to do with persecution on the church by men.
  2. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Well the word “the” was from the tribulation of the saints which isn’t the wrath of God.
  3. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    When it says that God blinded them it’s not actually saying that God blinded them spiritually from being saved obviously not as many Jews had still been saved. It’s sayings that God held back from them just like when He hardened pharaohs heart Jesus died for all it will be each person’s...
  4. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Yes and as I have said before there are many tribulations and some of them are also Gods wrath but only one “the great tribulation“ the key word is “the” which sets it apart from other tribulations. The word “the” is there for a reason.
  5. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Yes but even the verse you quoted mentions wrath. There is a difference between the wrath of God and the great tribulation. The wrath is on the unsaved and the great tribulation is on the saints. Stephen, Paul and the apostles are a part of the great multitude from every tribe tong and nation...
  6. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    But Revelation 7 tells us that the great tribulation is on the saints not unbelieving Israel. The wrath of God was on unbelieving Israel Put the events of Matthew 24 along with the 6 events in revelation chapter 6 and you will see that they line up and revelation 6 states that it’s the wrath...
  7. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    I never said the greatest tribulation I said there is only one "the great tribulation" which is greater than other great tribulations and the ones in Revelation 7 aren't raptured I believe that they are martyred saints over all time.
  8. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Yes that is what I was saying
  9. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    No I haven't changed my view at all and yes it does connect. I didn't say equals the great tribulation in Revelation 7, but the saints killed in Matthew 24 are part of the ones in Revelation from every tribe tong and nation. The key words are every tribe tong and nation, Israel is one of every...
  10. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Yes of course I agree, but they are also a part of the ones in Revelation from every tribe toung and nation. The ones in revelation are from all over the world since the first advent The key words are every tribe toung and nation, Israel is one of the every tribe toung and nation Israel in a...
  11. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    The tribulation Jesus talks about on the saints in Matthew 24 is the same as Revelation. They are a part of the great multitude from every tribe toung and nation
  12. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Yes tribulation but not the great tribulation Are you saying that the great multitude from every tribe tongue and nation were killed in Jerusalem in 70AD? Revelation 7 The Great Multitude in White Robes 9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count...
  13. Marty fox

    When and why will God destroy the world?

    Were you asking me? If so I don’t have one and the bible shows that God will destroy our world but the OP is my view which I believe expIan’s itself but not everything on earth is Gods doing or will. Sin is not Gods doing
  14. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    How can you not see that a tribulation period can't be the wrath of God? Gods wrath upon someone can be a time of tribulation for that same someone can't it? The descriptions are there
  15. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    My bad "of God"
  16. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Gods wrath on apostate Israel was a tribulation to apostate Israel. Re read the three text that I quoted and you will see that it was the wrath of God
  17. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Then who did it and for whose purpose? As the verses I provided shows that Rome did it for Gods purpose
  18. Marty fox

    My personal eclectic view

    Yes 70AD was a great tribulation but not "the great tribulation". There are many great tribulations in our world currently and in the past but Jeus told the angles to tell John what "the great tribulation" was it singled out. 70AD was the wrath of God on apostate Israel Luke 19 41 As he...