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You base your whole argument on fictitious creatures in heaven. Revelation is full of symbolism. You are taking Revelation 5:8 literal. Show in the passage where saints are interceding on our behalf? Doesnt even mention real human beings in the passage. You

Agreed, you came on here by your own will. I did not request for you to come on here. It's you who chose to debate me. You came to my OP. I'm simply defending my teaching. You're free to leave any time you like.

I will obey your gospel if you can be sincere and honest by answering my question straight forward. If you are sealed with the Holy Spirit the moment you believe alone. Then can someone not obey any other commandment in the new testament and go to heaven? 1John 3:23-24, only believe in Jesus...

You are really good at explaining away what the Scriptures plainly say, Matthew 21:25, - the baptism of John where was it from? From heaven or from men You deny the context and make up a story when Jesus asks them about John's baptism. To deny Jesus is asking about baptism is to deny what it...

Hi, haven't seen you for good while!

Dan, this is not all you said. This is where you have misunderstood. We dont teach this. Faith only folks say "what about the thief on the cross he wasn't baptized" My position is you cannot make that claim because the Bible doesn't say if he was or was not baptized. During the lifetime of...

Amen. So simple, no baptism no repentance.

Any jew that refused to be baptized by John did not submit to Gods will. Show me how any of them that refused John's baptism repented?

That's right. And the point that needs to be understood is if anyone did not do the act of obedience by submitting to John's baptism did they really repent? You could not repent if you did not obey the command to be baptized. Cant separate obeying God from repentance. Cant separate saving...

Yes, you still don't understand. None of my brethren that are good Bible students believe what you claim we teach. You could just ask what I believe instead of telling me what I teach.

No exception. You don't understand what our position is. Folks get this wrong and misrepresent what we say sometimes intentionally or unintentionally.

Here you are trying to teach true repentance does not require the baptism. That is what makes no sense. How could anyone say the Jews repented if they did not get baptized? The two must go together. No one would claim the Pharisees that refused to be baptized by John repented. Only those who...

You just admitted that the Jews could have true repentance without baptism. When are you going to learn that you cannot seperate obeing Gods commandments from true faith or true repentance. It's a silly argument to claim the Jews repentance did not require baptism in order to have truly...

Amen, love your honesty. And by you speaking the truth, John's baptism is spiritual(heaven) not physical(from man) as Dan's religion teaches.

No, this is not my belief so you dont know what you are talking about.

If they did not get baptized by John then did they repent? You cant separate the Jews repentance from John's baptism. No repentance no forgiveness of sins. Refusal of being baptized was an unrepentant heart. Since you separate the Jews salvation from John's water baptism that means those who...

Dan here is attempting to teach me that water baptism of John is natural not spiritual. Also baptism in the name of Jesus Acts 2:38 would also be natural baptism not spiritual baptism. This shows Dan's ignorance of the Scriptures. This is why, a major reason why, he thinks water baptism does...

I'm not confused at all on Biblical faith. Saving faith is an action. Dan's faith is dead. It has no obdient works. Hebrews 3:18-19, - and to whom sware he that they should not enter into His rest but to those who did not obey - so we see they could not enter in because of unbelief What is...

Personal definition? It's not my fault you are ignorant of faith and works in the Bible. These accusations are from a position of ignorance not knowledge.

Alright, you think Jesus and John the Baptizer taught no water baptism for the forgiveness of sins. That's your religions attempt to get all,works out of salvation. Cant be done as faith itself is a work, John 6:28-29 Mark 1:4, - John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of...