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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    1 Tim 1 18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; 19Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 20Of whom is Hymenaeus and...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Hebrews is not inspired by the Holy Spirit? Only Paul is? But invoke the pauline 50-50 rule. It is 50% possible that Paul wrote it. So pretend God is half right. Stop worshipping paul.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Heb 6 4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing...
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    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Jesus bodily rose from the dead. He is The first fruits of the first resurrection. Lazarus also bodily rose from the dead. The dead in Christ will be bodily raised from the dead. At the great white throne judgment. The entire planet that has been in the grave, and the ocean, for thousands of...
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    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Hard to believe folks are challenging you on this. ....has to be some "damage control deal" to support a belief not planned out accurately.
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    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Show where the dead in Christ resurrect in heaven.
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    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Rev 14 is a Jewish gathering. That is what it says. There is no gathering after armageddon.
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    Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

    Throw in romans 9-11, the gathering /grafting back in of the Jews. Then Rev 14, the gathering of the Jews during the trib. (No Jewish gathering anywhere at armageddon)
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    America failing the IQ test. They went in, took the test, left discernment at home and failed.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Post wrath? Pretrib? A mil?
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    No you do not. You are guessing. On the other hand I have sat under hours of postrib talking points. No contest. I know your doctrine well. You THINK you know the pretrib doctrine, but misrepresent it. The pretrib doctrine destroys postrib rapture workbook easily. You guys can not unpack; rev...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Thank you for pointing out that the AC is REVEALED and not in power at the rapture And yes it is a no brainer and clear he is destroyed right before the mil, at the second coming, on white horses.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Try and make a "one coming" honestly fit the bible. I used to be postrib till I read the Bible. The bible destroys any hope of a postrib rapture.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Not even close Stick eith what is written. You are making no sense. It is like you are trying to say; "Obama was nit revealed before he took power, in fact he was only revealed when he entered his second term because that's when the duped people saw him for who he was." Ridiculous Anyone with...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Pretrib rapture doctrine teaches in 100% harmony with your verse We see it vividly that The AC is revealed at the pretrib rapture, and that at the coming on white horses he is destroyed . 3 comings according to the bible.
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    "I used to be pretrib" What are you now? No trib? Because pretrib rapture can be defended. Lots of verses. Postrib is not only impossible , but has no verses Not a single postrib rapture verse. Every postribber has to defend the impossible "one coming". They stepped into that mess without a...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Huh ? It is a well known verse. All your colleagues use it. It is comical once I get them to actually read what it says. I says the man of sin is REVEALED before the rapture. That verse and.statement are in fact PRETRIB RAPTURE. HE...THE AC....IS REVEALED , THEN THE RAPTURE. Hello, your...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    The Jews, in Rev 14, are gathered ( raptured DURING the trib) In order for 1 these 4 to be true, the dead in christ must rise before that. So you are dead wrong. Rev 14 in your doctrine. Show it to me. You know for a fact it is missing. Show me how you change the components. Ever component is...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    As a matter of fact there are several points you think you make, and fail, because YOU DO NOT KNOW the pretrib rapture doctrine. If you get 100 % Honest, and cast down all the rabbit trails, grsb a bible, and debate honestly, I can defend the pretrib rapture doctrine quite handily We can start...
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    Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

    Not saying it is. I am saying we also believe that passage. I am not the one DEPENDING on other men's doctrine. Funny how you are posting verses that both sides use , then thinking you did something I know your doctrine. You do not know mine. Si you find a verse that can make either position...