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    A recent exchange with a reasoning AI pertaining to Matthew 24:15-30

    ---------------- Me, and how this session began: Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake...
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    A recent exchange with a reasoning AI pertaining to Matthew 24:15-30

    Not meaning Chatgpt in this case. My main opponent in lot of these threads involving subjects like this is mainly @Spiritual Israelite. Not that there are not others as well. Except he is the most vocal in regards to what I post pertaining to subjects like this. And besides, we at least have...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    After the AI's thinking through process: For the interpreters' view to work, they have to arbitrarily silence the implications of the comparative phrases. The text only allows for two logically coherent scenarios: A and B describe the exact same era/event. (Your view). This perfectly...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    The Reasoning AI's thought process continued: Synthesize the Conclusion: Based strictly on textual logic and syntax, the opposing view (A first, gap, B later) creates an inescapable logical contradiction. It forces the interpreter to make Event A a lie (if B...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    The following is an exchange I had with a Reasoning AI(not Chatgpt though) pertaining to Daniel 12:1 and Matthew 24:21, all of which are connected to the topic of this thread. Guess who's logic it didn't side with since I had that person's logic in mind vs mine, in regards to these 2 verses? I'm...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I'm going to delete my previous post since I see your view of these things a bit more clearly now. Doesn't mean I'm agreeing with your view or not agreeing with it. It just means my previous post is moot, in light of what you just submitted here. Edited to add: But then again, maybe it wasn't...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    We can do that. But since I don't have any disputes involving the first part, that the Messiah fulfills the midst of the week, I would rather spend more time focusing on how that verse ends, and if the vision and prophecy can stop, meaning the 70 weeks are fulfilled in it's entirety, before...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Let's work through your reasoning that the the flood itself equals tribulation rather than judgment. But the thing is, it's impossible to reason with you. And the following will undeniably prove it unless you shock me and actually agree you can't use the flood as an example no matter what...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    LOL. For example, You criticize @Douggg for having the 7th trumpet happen during the 5th trumpet, or something along those lines, and here you are doing something similar. You have the last thing in the list being the first thing that is fulfilled. To prove how absurd that is, why not put this...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    The joke is your misunderstanding of the title of this thread. The OP is not saying that the temple is on the mount of Olives. The OP is saying, that while Jesus was on the mount of Olives after having left the temple grounds, He was not then still speaking of the temple of stone when He began...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I don't know if you are trying to be funny here, or if you are being serious?
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    It's early in the morning still, so this is the best I have for now. A man commits a crime, is arrested and ends up before a judge and then is sentenced. But since this man has a job Mon-Fri, the judge sentences him to four weekends in jail. Obviously, Mon-Fri would represent a gap. Obviously...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Hmmm...interesting. Let me chew on that for a bit and then I might get back with you on that. Thanks for bringing that point up since I see your point, but haven't had time to actually reason through it yet.
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Out of curiosity, did you write all these things up yourself, or did you maybe get Chatgpt to help you write this? Nothing wrong with it if you did. The point being, even if one doesn't fully agree with everything, it is still easy to follow, and that Chatgpt is great for rewriting things in...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Though you weren't asking me that, here's my 2 cents, regardless. In Daniel 9:24, the last thing in the list is anoint the most holy. Obviously, that wouldn't be the first thing in the list being fulfilled if it's listed last. Yet some would have us believe otherwise, that it was the first...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I think it's meaning the people that fall away and worship the beast instead, that they corrupt the city and sanctuary spiritually. I Also use Daniel 11 to help determine that, except most interpreters are brain-washed by past Commentators insisting those verses are involving the days of A4E...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Pretty much how I see things to begin with. Therefore, I find this perfectly reasonable, and that I fully agree with you here. As to the Discourse, it's not all past nor all future. It simply means what transpires during His ascension, then what transpires when He returns. And that 70 AD was...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    No there is not. There are numerous clues in the text itself in Matthew 24 that prove otherwise. Such as verses 16-21. Regardless how verses 16-20 need to be understood, verse 21 alone proves that you can't apply "abomination that causes desolation" to the Messiah, in any sense. It was simply...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Some of what I'm factoring in, which you apparently aren't, is this. Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Before I get to some of those others you asked about, I will take a go at (8 first 8) Did God have a special reason for waiting 40 years before the Temple would be destroyed - after the cross? My guess would be in order to give them plenty of space to repent. There could be other reasons as...