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    "work out your Salvation" = Get your Faith RIGHT

    Well, I’m not so sure about the “if God caused it, then God could not hold anyone accountable” part of your statement. Let’s consider Peter, was Peter held accountable for denying Jesus? In Matthew 26:34 Jesus tells Peter that he will deny Him. In verse 35 Peter says he will not deny and the...
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    "work out your Salvation" = Get your Faith RIGHT

    Ok, I agree we are saved by grace and no work on our part is involved in that, works follow salvation. Even believing itself is a work according to John 6:28-29. But as far as our free will to choose Jesus or not, that doesn’t seem to be. In order to have free will, neither Satan or God can...
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    "work out your Salvation" = Get your Faith RIGHT

    Ok, in 2 Corinthians 4:4 the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Does a person have a choice as to whether they see Jesus or not? I mean if an unbeliever’s mind is...
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    "work out your Salvation" = Get your Faith RIGHT

    Would a carnal mind be resisting the Holy Spirit as seen in Acts 7:51?
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    "work out your Salvation" = Get your Faith RIGHT

    In Romans 8:16 it says The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God. In 1 Corinthians 2:12 it says Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. We can...
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    The Mark of the Beast...

    1 Corinthians 6:18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. Unless you think getting the mark of the beast is not a sin, it has to take place outside of the physical body. That means the mark of...
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    Who is Paul discussing in 2 Thessalonians 2?

    Let me throw this idea out there … The lawless one could be viewed as one that has no covenant. The man <444> of sin relates to both genders, male and female. Jerusalem is described as a woman in the Bible in various forms, one being a harlot. It could be looked at as Jerusalem had no covenant...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I think that’s a fair assessment, with out getting into OSAS vs NOSAS debate, we all know that there are currently some people who at least claim to have accepted Christ at some point and now claim to no longer believe in Christ. It’s fair to say even today there are people “falling away” from...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I think this turns into a OSAS vs NOSAS debate. Personally I think all the verses that point to NOSAS are talking about Jews who believed in the coming Messiah and had that faith but when He came they ended up rejecting Him at some point. So it appears as if they were saved but when they commit...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    You mentioned atheists and unbelieving Jews can’t be who 2 Thessalonians 2 is referring to. I agree, but it could be referring to Jews who believed and were zealous for the law (Acts 21:20). Those folks could’ve decided to stop believing Jesus was the Messiah and just stick with the law. John...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Here’s the thing, if a Preterist says the physical temple that was destroyed in 70AD was the temple in 2 Thessalonians 2:4, people will argue that the physical temple was no longer holy or naos(holy of holies) after the vail was torn, God left that temple. If that’s the case then it also has to...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Do you know of any passages that say the naos has both truth and apostasy in it? I know the outer court of the temple can have both but I don’t think there are any references to the naos (holy of holies) itself containing both, except maybe 2 Thessalonians but that reference is debatable as to...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Well, I guess it depends on how these things are interpreted. I can’t find any other reference to something unclean even being in the temple (naos) with the naos still being holy. I’m thinking of Nadab and Abihu when they offered strange fire, that happened for a brief moment only before they...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I haven’t tried to research this but here’s what someone else said about the man of sin sitting in the temple … This was fulfilled by the Zealot leader Menahem in Jerusalem in AD 66. He "exalted himself" over every other Zealot contender for Daniel's prophesied Messiah role. Every one of...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Well, I can’t take you seriously either, did the Holy Spirit teach you there was only one day of the Lord when Thessalonians was written or do you have some verses that back up your claim?
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    What would make more sense is that Paul taught there was more than just one future day of the Lord and the Thessalonians thought they missed the first one, Paul then goes on to explain what was to take place prior to that next day of the Lord but not the final day of the Lord. I’m pretty sure...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    2 Thessalonians 2:1Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Do you think it’s possible that right now you are mistaken about what the Holy Spirit teaches? Or are you certain about what the Holy Spirit teaches because the Holy Spirit Himself taught you that?
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    People can be wrong but the Holy Spirit can’t. If someone claims the Holy Spirit taught them an interpretation that we know is incorrect then that person is not only wrong on their interpretation but they are wrong on being able to know if it’s the Holy Spirit teaching them in the first place...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Yes, the Holy Spirit can help us understand scripture, but how is it that two people both claim the Holy Spirit helped them understand the scriptures with one person understanding the Premil view while the other understanding the Amil view? We don’t say it but if we conclude that the Holy Sprit...