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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Thanks for the generous offer on your book. I’m in the process of moving to a different state right now, I might take you up on your offer in a few months.
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    That’s a fair way of looking at it, but it might create another problem. If the prophecy can’t stop until it’s been fulfilled in full, then what about time itself? If we place a gap in between the weeks, we have essentially stopped (sealed) the prophecy, then unsealed it to start again for a...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Thanks for that response, I can see how you’re arriving at your position. This helps me prepare for any future conversations I might have about Daniel 9:24 with my friend.
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Do you know of any examples where the word “sealed” is meant as permanent, never to be opened again? Besides in Daniel 9:24.
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Yes, I actually did bring up the point about how all six points are eternal and permanent to my friend as a rebuttal to his view. He counter that with this … “to make an end” of sins uses the same word <2856> that is translated as “to seal up” the vision in Daniel 9:24, and Daniel 12:4,9 uses...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I think you’re putting the most abominable act as crucifying the Messiah, and having the AOD being fulfilled and transgression being finished at the cross. Let me get your thoughts on the word “finish” in Daniel 9:24. In our English vocabulary the word finish usually means to stop an activity...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I don’t know about any Amil folks believing that, some of the preterist folks I talk with thought it was a definite possibility. I have a Premil friend that we occasionally discuss eschatology and he’s the one that explained it to me, I’m not sure where he got it from. He said the word...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    In Daniel 9:24 the word “finished” is <3607> which means to restrain, to withhold, to shut up, to keep back. The noun form of that word <3608> means prison, confinement, enclosure. Some people (including some Premill) are interpreting that to mean Satan being bound, the transgression isn’t...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I’m not sure what you mean by this statement. I would say a place can’t be both holy and unholy at the same time. Which to me means the AOD stands in an unholy place that was once holy. If someone were to say the dirt is standing in the clean room, we would know the room is not clean. If that...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    If the stones represent people in covenant with God, and according to Hebrews 13:20 His blood is an everlasting covenant, then how does “not one stone on another” take place? Is it referring only to the old covenant and not the new covenant?
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Are you insinuating that you can somehow tell if something gets fulfilled without any extra Biblical information?
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Well, I quoted what he said, or at least the English translation of what he said. I said “I think” because I’m simply being honest, I haven’t read all of Eusebius’ writings nor have I studied the early church fathers. What do you want? Do you want someone to claim they know exactly what...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    I don’t think Eusebius is saying that they knew the exact time to flee by observing events, I think he’s saying when they (approved men) received (vouchsafed) the revelation to flee, they did it. They didn’t go back to get their clothes or things, they got out of Jerusalem and went to Pella...
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    The fallacy of believing Jesus was talking about the temple of stones on the Mount of Olives

    Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260-c. 340), the first to write a comprehensive history of the early church and acclaimed Father of Church History said this … Church History 3,5,3. But the people of the church in Jerusalem had been commanded by a revelation, vouchsafed to approved men there before...
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    This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

    I’ve been following this thread and you quoted Eusebius which got me thinking. Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. The words “shall be taken”<3880> occurs 50 times and can have several different meanings. One meaning is to receive...
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    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    Ok, I think we are in agreement that people who currently believe, both Jew and Gentile, their Sun never goes down. Your statement about after the remnant are saved applies to everyone who becomes a believer right now and in the future, not just the future. It’s a current reality, the new...
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    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    Tapp is the only one who might possibly suggest that the sun represents joy, no scriptural references are given for that and it would differ from the other commentaries that suggest the sun is Messiah or Jehovah’s light. Really, I think Tapp is just saying that when the sun doesn’t go down there...
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    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    I agree somewhat with the commentaries but there are some glaring issues that stick out like a sore thumb. Tapp equates joy with the sun and concludes that when the sun no longer goes down we will have habitual cheerfulness. An explanation of why we currently have joy when the sun is up and...
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    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    Ok, let’s substitute the word Israel for sun and moon in Isaiah 60:20, keeping in mind that it’s direct intended audience is Israel. Isaiah 60:20(KJV) Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself: for the LORD shall be thine everlasting light, and the days of thy...
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    The Current War against Iran and Support for Israel is based on Catholic Counter Reformation Theology.

    Ok, is this what you’re arguing? “Thy sun shall no more go down; neither shall thy moon withdraw itself”, are you says this means that whatever the sun an moon represent in new Jerusalem, that figurative sun and moon are currently going down and withdrawing themselves but they won’t do that...