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Whatever they are rvmb.... they refer to the same gospel. The church has been divided enough. I will not participate in this silly argument.... Jesus said we are to remain UNITED. Paul agreed. As did ALL the Apostles and those of the early church that WENT TO THEIR DEATH for their faith...

I REALLY would like to know which man-made laws Catholics must keep, alnd which commandments they have removed. I reject placing the Catholic faith and the Orthodox faith alongside with the LDS. But as to the above,,,,it is common knowledge that most of the civilized world agrees with the moral...

Done. Yes...two different words for Love: Agape and philo. Godly love and brotherly love. Also, two different words for SHEEP: John 21:15.........lamb John 21:16........sheep John 21:17........sheep

You know my background and experiences? How could you be sure they're different? Sounds like fun. They do love this stuff. I wish it would end...but the people won't have it. I know about the 7 sacraments. Would be happy to discuss... but why? Marriage is not a sacrament in Protestantism...

So why doesn't every "Christian" believe that Jesus is God? Why do some state that they are christian and it ends up under their avatar and then they argue that Jesus is NOT God? And JWs are not Christian because they do not accept the no. 1 tenet of Christianity.. JESUS IS GOD. They were...

Trevor, I was going to ask you what the bible states a Christian is. The whole point is that it has already been defined and the definition cannot change. We'd get into an endless debate about whether or not Jesus is God. The point is that this SHOULD NOT be debated between two "Christians"...

You're an intelligent guy Trevor. Much more intelligent than I'll ever be. Please don't make the silly statement, as many do, that IT'S NOT IN THE BIBLE. As you surely know...history continued on after Revelation. Definitely after Acts. Those early Christians,,,the ones that were taught by...

2 of 2 Are you speaking of the ECFs? I hope not. Augustine was one...although much too late for me. Well known? Wonder what I said. Do you know about Ignatius? He was taught by John and Peter. Do you know about Clement of Rome? He was mentioned in a leetter and was taught by Paul. No...

Goodness. Faith before belief. So where is the free will if God has to save us before we can be saved? Plenty of scripture Pinseeker - but not right now. Just Ephesians 2:8 is sufficient SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH Our FAITH saves us Don't know what Luke 18:27 has to do with this. (...

Yes sir. I sure do. My point is that THEY should not come into the conversation. If we ever discuss OSAS AGAIN... I'll point it out. Although I'm sure I have on occasion.

Don't really even know what you mean by Covenant theology. I'll tell you this: Reformed don't even call the Covenants by the same title. They call the New Covenant the Cov of Grace. NO OTHER denomination does this. So, I'll be usiing reformed/calvinist as the working title... which is what...

Sorry,,,was gone a few days. It's really difficult to discuss with someone who does not believe that Augustine taught the absense of free will. Why? Because now I'd have to stop and paste something that proves that Augustine taught that man has no free will. THIS IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE and should...

Trevor The FIRST JESUS IS GOD Is the number one tenet of the Christian RELIGION. You don't believe Jesus is God? You can't be called Christian. NO. It does NOT. You're talking about theology of the Christian RELIGION. I'm talking about what DEFINES the Christian RELIGION. A slight...

I've always felt that you use this excuse to justify your belief system. You know...just state that the Christian in question to which the NT is referring is not a "true" believer, and it frees you of any further explanation. As if we now have to say TRUE believer because BELIEVER has lost all...

Even though I must disagree with reformed theology,,,, They do believe in the core doctrines of Christianity and thus can be defined as Christian. Yes. We can know who is of the Christian RELIGION.

You always say this. We usually are referring to Believers. Why discuss non-believers?? They're lost anyway.

Hi Stevesonthebay I couldn't agree with you more. What's funny is that you've received a like from a member that doesn't even believe that Jesus is God...the main doctrine/teaching of the Christian faith ! The church certainly does not look like the early church. What about its beliefs? Seems...

NayborBear You've fought me tooth and nail throughout this thread. Did I mention something about prayer? The above post of yours is slightly contradictory, but I won't get into it. Do you believe Jesus is God? --- which requires belief in the Trinity, unless there are two Gods. Do you believe...

As you already know... I agree with the above 100% and that is what this thread is all about. :thumbsupx1

Many believe as you do and it actually could be understood that way. This will not be an issue that should be debated too much.