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See above. I assume you are talking about the one crucified on Jesus's right, here. So I would answer this question thusly: Yes... and no. Again, see above. Hmmm... I'm not exactly sure what you mean here, to be honest, but I'll speak specifically to what you are referring to. And I'm...

Well, your way of stating this appear to insinuate ~ and I know this is not your intention ~ that God's Word is... and God Himself is... deceptive, which He is surely not. I would rather state it thusly, that just from a human standpoint, we can understand things in God's Word in senses or...

It means God's work of redemption is accomplished... by Jesus on the cross. God's "work with Israel," or His bring His Israel to completion, in Paul's terms in Romans 11:25-26, is still ongoing. But it will be complete; all God's Isreal will be saved ~ the fullness of the Gentiles will have...

The concept of the temple holds profound significance in the context of the Bible, symbolizing a meeting place between the divine and the mortal. The original temple was the Garden of Eden itself, where God dwelt with Adam and Eve and the tree of life ~ the first reference to Jesus ~ was in the...

<chuckles> Man, keep that on the Q.T.! <smile> Pun intended... Grace and peace!

That's a very common thing around here, Jay. You included. Grace and peace to you.

No. There is a temple being built, and God is it's designer and builder (Hebrews 11). And we are it. (Ephesians 2:11-22). Grace and peace to you.

Nah, it was a (very poor) defense mechanism. But very well; fair enough. Okay. <smile> I mean, I would say the same right back to you, but for a very different reason. Right, because you obviously do… and are. Suits me… Now I certainly agree with you there… <chuckles> But again, I think...

That’s never been any part of this discussion… a total non sequitur. <eye roll> You know what I meant… ‘okay’ in the sense that beating somebody up about it or over it is ridiculous, for many reasons. What would be the sense in or purpose of a false debate? And, I sense you missing or...

No games. Look it up. It's a very simple Google... "Scare quotes ~ also called shudder quotes or sneer quotes ~ are quotation marks used around a word or phrase to signal that the writer is using it in a non-standard, ironic, or skeptical way..." Yeah so we can drop this, right? Oh yeah...

I wouldn't hold your breath. I'm certainly not. You did notice the scare quotes around the "pour your wrath out on him" comment, didn't you? Surely you're more perceptive than this; It was more for your sake than anybody else... <chuckles> When you start doing it with, well, love, joy...

Right. Well, as He told Nicodemus, "unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God... unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God," and as He told Pilate, His kingdom "is not of this world," both of which you know, I'm sure. PinSeeker, of some...

Ummm... it is. So... yes. <smile> Grace and peace to you, Joy.

Yes, actually. It's a little troubling to me that he included Matthew 24:29-34 specifically in what @claninja said ~ "I hold that Matthew 24:1-34 was fulfilled in the first century" ~ sure. But there was an immediate fulfillment (A.D. 70) of what Jesus said there. So what he said was at least...

Okay, so... <smile> ...do you or do you not believe this to have already occurred (in 70 A.D., I guess) in its final, consummated form? What I think is, this is really all you've said, and you haven't really ever said anything, at least to this point, that would indicate which way you would go...

Oh, my. <chuckles> That's... not what I said. Okay, yeah, I maintain that the angels were created before God's creative act documented in Genesis 1 and 2. Okay, cool. Grace and peace to you.

Hey, @claninja (and nobody else, please... <smile>), in just a few short words, what even is the argument here? How would you summarize it? Grace and peace to you.

@rwb , I have no dog in this fight, really, but Scripture is clear that angels pre-existed the earth/world. They are created beings ~ by God, of course, as all things are ~ but He made them before the earth... even the universe... was created: "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the...

That's one of the first absolutely true things you've said in a while. Yes, I think this argument between you and @claninja is inane. It's mostly just you, though. But yeah, I don't care about the argument, because of its inanity. And my intent was to give you both an out, to use a good...

Right. When it's worth saying, sure. Thanks. Well you obviously do. But, if you don't, then why even respond to that? So yeah, I have noticed some things, yes... <smile> Just some things he and you have said to each other. I didn't say you did. I said, in effect, that you turn...